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My name is yolanda and I want to know why atheist don't believe in God Atheist believe that we share a common ancestor with chimpanzees Because Dna proved it was almost the same.As ours That bothers me because I believe that the world did not created it self.I don't believe in evolution but they keep trying to feed us this junk to our children in school .Atheist people think that christians are crazy for believing in a God.Our cells in our body work like a factor carrying and building thing that's scientist are amazed how it works so perfect sending message to each other.In order for this information to be perform it had to have had an informer and that informer is God but Atheist people don't believe that they think it's just luck.The way the earth moves they way its position it perfect.It's not luck that's the creator

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Permalink Reply by David on December 13, 2009 at 10:27pm

Next time you talk to an atheist, ask them a few questions: Like, how old were you when you knew that you were not supposed to kill someone, rape them, rob from them, tell lies about them? Or, How old were you when you first felt the desire to help an innocent victim of some incident? Where does that information come from?

If they say, well...my parents taught me that at a very early age, then you can follow up with, well...you mean to tell me that otherwise you wouldn't know not to kill someone unless your parents told you not to? Or, you wouldn't have otherwise known not to strangle a new born puppy? You could go on to say that it's far more likely that the reason you "knew" these things is because God wrote them on your heart. You see, in the days of Moses, the people's hearts were so hardened against God, that God chose to write the ten Commandments on tablets of stone, because it was easier than writing them on their hearts. But, after Christ came, God said that we wouldn't need to go out and tell everyone that they needed to know God anymore, because they would already know God, and know that they werent supposed to go out an do violence to anyone.

You see, there was a huge difference in people's understanding about life after Jesus came, and died, and sent the Holy Spirit out into the world. People knew things inherently that they never knew before. And, this you can explain to your atheists the next time you come across one of them.

Jesus the Christ changed the whole way we look at things! He changed the world, and the people in it!

I hope this helps.

Blessings,
David

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Permalink Reply by Rodney M Hall on March 22, 2010 at 11:32am

This is just my opinion of course. But from the atheists that I have had dealings with on other sites that I have been on. I get the impression that either it is just too hard to believe meaning that they are putting their full faith in what scientists say is truth, or it could be as simple as they do not want to give up control of their life. They feel that they would be in shackles if they were to follow God. They choose to see what they perceive as bad and are not wiling to se the entire picture.
One last thing, and I believe this to be huge. They don't want to believe because they don't really see Jesus in us. If we were doing and acting as we should, the churches would be bursting at the seams. People would be waiting in line to get in. A friend of mine said something today that I totally agree with. Christianity is not a spectator sport. But if we are to be honest and step back and take a look, I think we could agree that is exactly what it looks like. And I am just as guilty if not more than the next guy.

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Permalink Reply by David Velasquez on March 22, 2010 at 2:49pm

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Permalink Reply by Carla on March 22, 2010 at 12:32pm

I believe that athiests reject Jesus for this reason ...as scripture tells us:

Jhn 3:19 "This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.

Jhn 3:20 "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

Jhn 3:21 "But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."

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Permalink Reply by lazurm on February 8, 2011 at 5:31pm

I take it that the Light is Jesus and God?

I hope you're not saying that all atheists are evil. That just isn't so, unless you are strictly defining a nonbelief as evil, by definition. But, I think you may have problems with that definition because that use of the word isn't quite popular, in a dictionary sense of the term.

We are all sinful, but not evil in the sense that our deeds may not be destructive in any measurable sense. Some of those who aren't evil, deeds wise, may be atheists.

Do you agree with this line of thought?

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Permalink Reply by Carla on February 8, 2011 at 5:48pm

Lazurm,

By who's standards.

From the human standpoint..we may call many people 'good'..even athiests..

What is good? What is evil?

The idea that morality determines a 'good' person or an 'evil' person is a weak argument. I would agree that many athiests would be 'good' people from the human standpoint. However, we are not comparing ourselves to other humans.... we hold ourselves up to the Lord. What are His standards?

Lazurm, i know what you are saying, i am married to an athiest..and he is not evil. So i truly understand the distinction you are trying to make. However, let me emphasize once again, the issue is not morality here. The issue is righteousness. On the day of judgement, who's righteousness will you be wearing? Why do we need a Saviour?

Isa 64:6

For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.

Righteousness cannot come from ourselves. It can only come from God through Jesus.

Phl 1:11

having been filled with the fruit of righteousness which comes through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.

The athiest has not yet come to God.. they may be moral people... fine! But they do not have God's Righteousness, because none of us can attain that without the Lord. It's His cloak of Righteousness that we wear... God sees Jesus when He looks at us (as believers).

Blessings, Carla

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Permalink Reply by lazurm on February 8, 2011 at 6:08pm

Hi Carla,

Your answers are incredibly clarifying to me and, again, I thank you. I also appreciate that you buttress your replies with Scripture. (I finally got my Bible TODAY!!)

As a new Believer I am looking forward to the type of clarifications I find here, on this website (for the most part! :) )

So, let me understand:

If I truly believe in Jesus, as the Son of God, who came to earth to die for our sins, believe this in my heart, and can find the way to bring Jesus into my life and my person completely, then does that mean I will be filled with the fruit of righteousness?

What if I doubt the literal interpretation of the Bible (as in my current discussions I've had with the meaning of "Day" in Genesis)?

What if I believe in evolution as my accepted knowledge base, but with the understanding that our ability to interpret DNA is a gift from God as a method He uses to enable life to continue to exist on a changing earth?

What if I have faith in the scientific method as a relatively successful means to understand the natural world and that there may be occasions where Scripture is interpreted, by me, through that lens?

What if I, in worst case scenario, believe in a scientific interpretation of the natual world, though feel that God is behind all its workings in some mysterious way, not completely or necessarily understood by me but for faith, and this belief runs counter to current Scripture? How do I handle that case?

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Permalink Reply by Carla on February 8, 2011 at 6:40pm

Lazurm,

Your questions are really good questions.

Regarding righteousness here is a great article:

http://www.gotquestions.org/righteousness.html

Regarding salvation scripture tells us this:

Rom 10:9

For if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Regarding your doubt of a literal Genesis... Lazurm, I truly believe in a literal Genesis. When I first began studying, I didn't know what to believe. Now I am confident that God did literally create all things in 6 days..and rested on the 7th day.

My concern with rejecting a literal Genesis, is if the book of Genesis is in question of literal accuracy and truth, then how about the rest of scripture? Wouldn't it be easier for someone to discredit the whole of scripture if they could tear apart the account of Creation?

Scripture is painfully honest. Nothing is withheld. When i say this I am referring to the wars, and the killings..all the voilence.. I am referring to God's annointed ones...with all their flaws.. being chosen by a Holy God.. The Only True God.. and God uses them for His purposes. Their flaws, errors....sins...everything is recorded. I am encouraged with i read this, because of how often I fall short.

I think that as you continue to study the account of Creation, you will find it hard to continue on the path of believing in evolution as truth. Don't ever shy away from science. embrace it! But embrace it for the science of it, not for the parts that are lacking evidence.. based purely on assumption. I have some great resources for you to check out:

http://www.icr.org/

and

http://www.answersingenesis.org/

and

http://biblicaldiscipleship.org/content/evolution-creationist-book-... (i have this book)

Just because you are a Christian,it does not mean you shut your mind off to learning, in fact you will learn more. i know i have. I was so uninformed before.. I'm still learning lots.. i feel like I've gone back to school, but this time I am on the right train track.

Creation is not the popular way of thinking--sadly, this is true even amongst Christians. Let's be honest.. Evolution is a rather new teaching, it changes constantly, it has no evidence for the claims.. it is all assumption.

I think it would be difficult to be a believer and believe in evolution. I don't know if the two are compatible.. my personal opinion is that they are not.

Blessings, Carla

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Permalink Reply by lazurm on April 17, 2011 at 11:27pm

Hi Carla,

To state that Evolution has no evidence is totally incorrect. In fact, Evolution has the largest body of evidence of all the sciences and has actually been seen to occur while taking place (!) in experiments with fruit flies and in observations of virus's and bacteria.

It shouldn't be too difficult to believe Evolutionary Theory and still be a believer if one feels that witnessing evolution take place is like witnessing the mind of God and how He works. As to Genesis, that's a hard pill to swallow if one takes it literally, to the point of believing that the Earth is, say, 8,000 years old, as some do. There's just too much overwhelming proof indicating otherwise.

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Permalink Reply by Carla on April 18, 2011 at 10:40am

Hi Lazurm,

Would you mind outlining and elaborating on the proof for me?

Blessings, Carla

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Permalink Reply by lazurm on April 18, 2011 at 11:30am

Hi Carla,

Well, that's a rather TALL order indeed.

But, to go over it briefly, sort of an outline as you suggested: There's partical physics involving our knowledge of radiation and partical decay, how it averages out to known amounts and how that information pertains to determining the sequence of life (and other things) on Earth. There's geology with its knowledge of sedimentation, plate tectonics and the like and how that helps determine where certain species originated and why they trace their lineage to species found on other parts of our planet. There's hundreds of thousands of fossils which help determine the types of biological changes that were successful in adapting to a change condition, whether climactic or otherwise (food type, etc.). There's biology and genetics where observations are both made, live, and upon older material and these help detail the explanations for how living things work, stay alive, etc. There are ongoing observations and experiments involving bacterial evolution, viral evolution, DNA evolution and mapping, and lots more in this regard all having to do with the fight against diseases, fights that employ evolution as but one of the methods.

Did you know that scientists/doctors have discovered people that are totally immune, now, to AIDS due to a genetic adaptation found in their DNA, as but one in thousands (and I mean thousands) of examples?

It's really not a good venue, here, to discuss in detail such a wide question. But, continuing my "outline", there's examples of intermediate life forms, say between a fish and an amphibian for example, in the fossil records, all recorded and cataloged by the hundreds (at least, hundreds that I've seen anyway).

For a really good and easy to swallow course on the subject, I suggest purchasing one of the many DVD's available from The Teaching Company, an organization that selects the best professors in the United States to give the very well organized and explained lectures on a host of subjects, Evolution included. Evolution subjects can be found at this link: http://www.thegreatcourses.com/tgc/search/search.aspx?searchphrase=...

and, while you're there, check out their courses on religion, if you're interested. Mostly history and philosophical in nature.

Suffice it to say that Evolution has explained things rather well, with no other explanation offering the kind of complete logic and proof that can both explain much of the past, as observed by the data collected, as well as predict outcomes seen in experiments where the predictions can be observed. For instance, it had been observed that fruit flies, a species that takes two weeks for one complete generation (allowing for observations in record time), follow the predictions of Evolutionary Theory by creating environments that result in observable adaptations over time, adaptations that allow for increased population of fruit flies that have adapted successfully. Note too that species differentiation takes so much time that even a fruit flies life cycle doesn't permit that kind of living observation.

I'm scattering a bit here, but really, it's much too broad a topic to go over in a few words.