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Once saved always saved?
Many believe that once you are saved you are always saved and that you cannot lose your salvation or be rejected by God.
What is the scriptural basis for “Once saved always saved”? Does not the responsibility lie with the believer how he/she conduct themselves after initially being saved?
I see many scriptures that say/imply other than once saved always saved:
Old Testament:
Num 14:11 Then the LORD said to Moses: "How long will these people reject Me? And how long will they not believe Me, with all the signs which I have performed among them?
Num 14:12 I will strike them with the pestilence and disinherit them..."
1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, He also has rejected you from being king."
1Sa 28:6 And when Saul inquired of the LORD, the LORD did not answer him, either by dreams or by Urim or by the prophets.
1Sa 28:7 Then Saul said to his servants, "Find me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her…"
Pro 2:13 …From those who leave the paths of uprightness To walk in the ways of darkness…
New Testament:
Joh 17:12 …Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition…
Act 8:9 But there was a certain man called Simon, who previously practiced sorcery…
Act 8:13 …Then Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done…
Act 8:20 …But Peter said to him, "Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money!
Act 8:21 You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God.
Act 8:22 Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you.
Act 8:23 For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity."
1Pe 4:17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?
1Pe 4:18 Now "IF THE RIGHTEOUS ONE IS SCARCELY SAVED, WHERE WILL THE UNGODLY AND THE SINNER APPEAR?"
Jas 5:19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back,
Jas 5:20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
2Ti 2:17 …Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort,
2Ti 2:18 who have strayed concerning the truth…
2Ti 2:24 …And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,
2Ti 2:25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
2Ti 2:26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
2Pe 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.
2Pe 2:22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: "A DOG RETURNS TO HIS OWN VOMIT," and, "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire."
Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
Heb 6:5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
Heb 6:6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
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Permalink Reply by David Velasquez on
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U welcome family. :)
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Permalink Reply by Sharon Theresa Theil on
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David,
I went to John Mcarthur's website and I was curious about his numerous and forceful articles against sin...Christians must wage war on sin....Christians must kill sin....they must hunt down sin and wipe it out...my question is why? If, as he just stated in his video, Christians can never lose their salvation no matter what...then why the fuss over sin? Since sin can't effect our salvation in any way what is the point of a war against sin?
I'll post part of one of his sermons so you can get a better feel for what is to me a glaring contradiction:
Know Thy Enemy
Wednesday, February 09, 2011
Are you ready to kill?
That’s a stark question, and it demands qualification, but killing is a regular part of the Christian life. There’s an aspect of being a Christian that’s downright violent.
You see, God commands us to hunt down and kill all remaining sin—to terminate it with extreme prejudice. Want proof? Here’s what Paul said in Romans 8:
So then, brethren, we are under obligation. Not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh—for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God (vv. 12-14)
Or, how about Colossians 3:5?
Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.
So, there you are, Christian. Paul didn’t say, “Negotiate or bargain with sin”—this isn’t diplomacy; there’s no call for making threats or shooting sin in the leg. God calls you to identify, locate, attack, and execute the enemy, the sin in your members. Put it to death. Period.
Your objective is clear, and your enemy has been identified.
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Sharon,
>>I went to John Mcarthur's website and I was curious about his numerous and forceful articles against sin...Christians must wage war on sin....Christians must kill sin....they must hunt down sin and wipe it out...my question is why?
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Why what beloved? Please tell me you are kidding sis. Now you know I am always clowning, but I do not see the humor in this question ha-ha The answer is so obvious that I can give you the entire bible for the answer. For starters, we do what is right simply because is the right thing to do, our God commands us to. Are you implying that we do what is right to win entrance into heaven?
>>If, as he just stated in his video, Christians can never lose their salvation no matter what...then why the fuss over sin? Come on sis, Why you trying to make me go loco here. Man I try to be civilized, but girl, what? How about cause sin - kills. Kills the abundant life we can have... it grieves the Holy Spirit etc...
>>Since sin can't effect our salvation in any way what is the point of a war against sin?
Sis please tell me who teaches that heresy, so I can kick them to the curve haahaha cause no one here believes that rubbish. Sin affects our salvation in multiple ways, we just can't lose it, but it sure affects it.
Blessings beloved
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Permalink Reply by Yael Levi-Bénédict on
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David I like your sense of 'humor' but Therese has a valid point. Your 2 messages are contractitory ( nothing can take away one's salvation, but you must NOT sin! Otherwise what? Will one loose their salvation? Please, no standard answers such as "they were not saved in the first place". That only proves her point: The pre-requirement for Salvation is to turn away from sin).
In fact, Luther , the founder of protestantism, had a very different view to yours:
“Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong, but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides… No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day.” (‘Let Your Sins Be Strong, from ‘The Wittenberg Project;’ ‘The Wartburg Segment’, translated by Erika Flores, from Dr. Martin Luther’s Saemmtliche Schriften, Letter No. 99, 1 Aug. 1521).
“Those pious souls who do good to gain the Kingdom of Heaven not only will never succeed, but they must even be reckoned among the impious; and it is more important to guard them against good works than against sin.” (Wittenberg, VI, 160, quoted by O’Hare, in ‘The Facts About Luther, TAN Books, 1987, p. 122.)
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LB,
My understanding is that we are to ascertain the meaning of the sacred page by comparing Scripture with Scripture; the parts with the whole. Was it me or did you notice in the 8 min. video he qoutes only a part of three scriptures! Not even the whole text just a part! Are we to understand that the Bible is to be interpreted by taking a few text out of context and throwing away the rest?!
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Great point!
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Permalink Reply by Carla on
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LB,
Do you honestly believe, that anyone who has seen the Lord, and has been saved from damnation....brought out of their sins because of Christ's work would really walk away from Him? Walk away from Jesus? I simply can't see that happening. Not if you have really seen Him. It is proposterous to believe that it could happen.
I believe that is why this has beeen written:
1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
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there is no such a thing as has been saved, but "IS BEING" saved or will be saved, provided that they not only call him Lord, Lord, but DO what he says.
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Permalink Reply by Leonard T on
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Yael,
Actually there are three parts to the salvation process.
Justification - proclaimed guilt free by God at the time of repentance and is irrevokable.
Sanctification - Growing in Christ likeness. Sanctification deals with holiness.
Glorification - When Christ returns the new Spirit is united to the new body.
One is born-again at the moment of Justification, the moment they receive Christ as Lord and Savior.
Lord Bless,
LT
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Greetings all,
The tenor of this discussion is starting to change and comments are starting to become more heated. Please make sure that you focus on the topic and discuss the issue. Treat others with respect even when they disagree with you. This is a rule that will be enforced. This is a preemptive warning as we have watched this progression in the past and see some of the same signs starting to manifest once again.
Lord Bless,
LT
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Many here need to be reminded of this truth:
We are holy and perfect by God's doing and we are in the processed of being conformed to His image. Believe it and stop trying to improve on what the Lord has done. Abide in Christ and all else will flow from our relationship with Him.
It is a finish work of Christ not of David or _____________.
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