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Once saved always saved?
Many believe that once you are saved you are always saved and that you cannot lose your salvation or be rejected by God.
What is the scriptural basis for “Once saved always saved”? Does not the responsibility lie with the believer how he/she conduct themselves after initially being saved?
I see many scriptures that say/imply other than once saved always saved:
Old Testament:
Num 14:11 Then the LORD said to Moses: "How long will these people reject Me? And how long will they not believe Me, with all the signs which I have performed among them?
Num 14:12 I will strike them with the pestilence and disinherit them..."
1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, He also has rejected you from being king."
1Sa 28:6 And when Saul inquired of the LORD, the LORD did not answer him, either by dreams or by Urim or by the prophets.
1Sa 28:7 Then Saul said to his servants, "Find me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her…"
Pro 2:13 …From those who leave the paths of uprightness To walk in the ways of darkness…
New Testament:
Joh 17:12 …Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition…
Act 8:9 But there was a certain man called Simon, who previously practiced sorcery…
Act 8:13 …Then Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done…
Act 8:20 …But Peter said to him, "Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money!
Act 8:21 You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God.
Act 8:22 Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you.
Act 8:23 For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity."
1Pe 4:17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?
1Pe 4:18 Now "IF THE RIGHTEOUS ONE IS SCARCELY SAVED, WHERE WILL THE UNGODLY AND THE SINNER APPEAR?"
Jas 5:19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back,
Jas 5:20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
2Ti 2:17 …Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort,
2Ti 2:18 who have strayed concerning the truth…
2Ti 2:24 …And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,
2Ti 2:25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
2Ti 2:26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
2Pe 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.
2Pe 2:22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: "A DOG RETURNS TO HIS OWN VOMIT," and, "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire."
Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
Heb 6:5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
Heb 6:6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
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Permalink Reply by Leonard T on
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LB,
Two points, one to ponder and one to clarify.
1) You believe in total freewill of man. Many don't agree with you. Some believe in God's sovereignty and predestination to the point that freewill is practically non-existent. I don't agree with either. God is sovereign and has given man liberties. He allows man to make choices, but has the freedom to intervene and override our freewill at any time. How often do we see God intervening in the NT? If it is the Lord's will we will ... If it is the Lord's will I will visit, wanted to go to Asia, but was prevented ... God hardened Pharoah's heart ... (all paraphrased)
2) I am not aware of anyone believing that God tortures His children until they come back. You are incorrectly defining discipline. It is not a negative word. Discipline deals with bending and shaping. When God deals with His children He disciplines them for their God and it is corrective, not punitive.
Lord Bless,
LT
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Permalink Reply by andrew on
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Hello, can I ask a question and hoped to get some answers from this forum although is not quite related to this topic...Can the rest of my family members ( non believers ) be saved when I'm the only believer in the family..? Thank you all....andrew
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Permalink Reply by David Velasquez on
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Yes Andrew.
1 Peter 2:12 (New International Version, ©2010)
12 Live such good lives among the unbelievers that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us. 1 Peter 2:12
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Permalink Reply by Sharon Theresa Theil on
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David,
Preach the Gospel at all times and When necessary use words
St. Francis of Assisi !
I love it!
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Amen sis - Nothing new under the sun. Hey i thought i came up with that hahaha guess i was wrong.hahaha
Love to you and thanks for sharing. St. Augustine and St. Aquinas remain my favs. for quotes though. :)
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Permalink Reply by Carla on
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Andrew.. further to what David has said. they can be saved.. but they must accept Jesus themselves. They are not saved just because you are. Salvation is an individual act of faith. (Rom 10:9)
Salvation will sometimes divide a family (Matt 10:34-36)
I believe all or most of us have family members who are not saved. It is very heartbreaking to say the least...but don't ever give up praying for them and living out your faith in front of them.
Blessings, Carla
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Carla..correct me if I m wrong...I was informed that the only member of the family who is a believer..thru his act will santify the rest of the family members...can u or anyone here elaborate this further..thanks again.
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Andrew,
Here's an older discussion you can refer to regarding this topic:
http://www.allaboutgod.net/forum/topics/1383940:Topic:213832
Blessings, Carla
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Carla..I m not that sure the meaning...I was hoping to get some feedback from anyone of u here..when I was informed of this statement.
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Andrew,
I think this is a good topic. I am going to start a new thread so that we may discussus your question in depth. Oh, I'm an idiot. I see Carla already posted a link for this topic. Love you Carla!
And welcome Andrew!
Sharon Theresa Baldwin Theil
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Thanks David..my mum recently accepted the Lord..my dad accepted the Lord weeks before he passed away a year ago..praised the Lord.now I hope the members of my family be granted salvation too.
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Permalink Reply by Craig Baker on
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If your salvation can be lost, your adoption into the family of God is not permanent.
Never once are believers threatened with losing membership in the family of God.
Jesus thought the opposite. As far as He is concerned, adoption is forever!If you placed your trust in Christ's death on the cross as the payment for your sin, you are an eternal member of the family of God. Acting like God's child didn't get you in. Not acting like one won't get you tossed out. God's unconditional love is eternal. Salvation is forever.
Craig
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