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genesis 6:4 the sons of God went to the daughters of men

  here it speaks of an abomination to God which is a major reason for the flood. angels and women on earth mating and having children. men of renown refers to very strong, giant like warriors such as goliath.notice it says also afterward. which means satan and his minions would go right back and do what they did before the flood. the wicked nowadays has cloned sheep and cows now comes transhumanism( and with satans help it will come about) humans and animal mixture. matthew 24:37 says in the days of noah, what was going on in the evil realm is referring to this as well. Jesus also spoke about mens hearts failing them for fear. must be pretty bad. i also think that is where this army of locusts come about in revelation a superhuman like army trying to destroy the Lord with all its evil might. how futile is that. i believe this world is more evil than anything we could ever imagine. this is also an opening for ufo or alien contact which their talking about revealing what our goverment has known for years

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Permalink Reply by David Velasquez on February 1, 2011 at 12:16pm
Amen beloved - amen.
Permalink Reply by Leonard T on February 1, 2011 at 2:02pm

I second that amen.

 

Lord Bless,

LT

Permalink Reply by Carla on February 1, 2011 at 2:11pm
very well said Amanda.  :-)
Permalink Reply by margaret on February 1, 2011 at 7:17pm
yes, i believe good will win, i read the book of revelation
Permalink Reply by RoyW on February 3, 2011 at 5:44am

I am sure this has been covered but in case not, I am going to put in a couple of cents worth. I agree with David's 2nd argument which was St. Augustine view. My position is this:

God did not create angels with the ability to procreate. I think this is explained in the Lord's discussion in the Gospel letters of Matthew, Mark and Luke. In a discussion with the scribes a question came up about who would be a man's wife in heaven if he had several here on earth. That discussion is not of interest here except for something Jesus said concerning that. He said:

Mark 12:25-26
25 When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. NIV

This does not prove that angels cannot procreate but we are certainly introduced to that idea. The primary purpose of marriage was for this exact purpose. The two will become one. I do not believe that can happen with angels. In heaven we will not be male and female, we shall be like the angels with neither the desire or ability to procreate. That part of our lives will be over. Today, that strong desire to procreate leads us to be in much the exact same conditions as they were in the days of Noah. People are marrying, divorcing, marrying, divorcing and on and on we go. This was never God's will and still is not today. He does forgive us for our weaknesses but certainly is not happy with the present situation.

About those men of renown: we still have them but today they compete on the football fields and basketball courts. They become like gods to some. Can you imagine the stories some have of their heroes? These men could probably compete very well with warriors of old.

My position is that angels do not have the ability to procreate but I am also of the mindset that it doesn't make any difference. What is, is. What we think doesn't change anything. The purpose of the account is not to tell us about angels and women but about the evil of man. I do not think the actions of angels brought judgment upon the earth. I am confident that it was the wickedness of man that caused God to be sorry and destroy the entire human race with the exception of the eight. He will do it again but not by water. I am surprised that He has waited this long but I do see the wickedness of man increasing. The nice things about men mating with animals or one with another is that they are not able to procreate. That is reserved for a man and a woman. God has the wisdom to know what He is doing. If angels could procreate, I guarantee they would find some willing partners in this day and age.

That's my take. Take that and eight bits to McDonald's and you can get a nice cup of hot coffee.

Roy

Permalink Reply by margaret on February 3, 2011 at 7:45pm
if you dont believe the sons of god saw that they were beautiful in the genesis verse you are completely denying what the scripture says with your own opinion.it states it right there in black and white. as for men procreating with animals, ill agree with you there, cannot be done. but in the black science of labratorys today it is a possibility. like cloning or some kind of test tube experiments. dont get the coffee comment.  shalom
Permalink Reply by RoyW on February 4, 2011 at 12:59am

In other words, Margaret, you can take my opinion along with a buck here in America and go to McDonald's and buy a cup of coffee. That is just another way of saying my opinion is not worth anything.

You are certainly not the first one that believed angels and mankind mated. I don't see it but respect your opinion. I am not denying what Scripture says; I just don't believe it is talking about angels. Angels cannot procreate (in my opinion.)

Blessings,

Roy

Permalink Reply by Mary O on February 5, 2011 at 2:42pm
I'm saying this with respect, so please don't get upset with me if I disagree. The transhuman concept is a little out there for me. Each after it's own kind. For example, to mix a tiger and a lion takes a lot of effort. At least they're both cats, but it's still difficult. As far as I know, animal mutations are sterile. And you have to have the same number of chromosomes. We're talking gene splicing, and you would have to know what traits each set of chromosomes determines. I don't know if they could just leave a few chromosomes hanging. I think they have to have the same number, or it's very difficult. The mutations that have been made so far I think they're weak and sickly. I'm not saying impossible, but it's a whole lot of work.
Permalink Reply by RoyW on February 5, 2011 at 3:06pm
I agree, the concept is really twilight zone type of thinking.
Permalink Reply by margaret on February 6, 2011 at 3:14pm
thats where demonic influence comes in. i saw a photograph of a mouse or rat with a human ear attached to its back. not saying its authentic but there is a dark science out there. i  think some people still think of satan as some mild mannered creature with a pitchfork
Permalink Reply by RoyW on February 7, 2011 at 5:09am

Margaret,

Are you saying, then, that man can mate with animals and produce offspring? Yes, you are correct. The picture of the mouse with an apparent ear growing out of its back is not authentic. There was no interbreeding that produced the effect. I simply do not believe that angels and man can mate and produce offspring. Angels cannot procreate or produce seed. However, some very reasonable people do buy into that explanation of Genesis 6:4. I am amazed by that.

The fact that there were giants as a result doesn't prove anything. Giants were also produced after the flood. Goliath was reported to be nine and a half feet tall. He was a very big man.

However, I am not convinced that demonic activity didn't have something to do with this. But, it would have had to be through men and not the angels themselves. However, angels within themselves, cannot have sex with women. That, of course, is my opinion.

The only people that I know of that would say that animals and humans can mate would be the evolutionists who believe that the neanderthals and man mated and produced a superior offspring. Nonsense!

As far as I know, the differing genetics between animals and man does not allow them to mate. Different kinds of animals cannot interbreed either. In order to interbreed, the two animals must be very closely related such as a horse and a donkey. A dog and cat, for example, cannot interbreed.

This is the way God has made us and man's experimentation is proof enough that God used wisdom to make us this way. Give man a millimeter and he will take a mile.

Blessings,

Roy Wilson

Permalink Reply by margaret on February 7, 2011 at 2:17pm
roy, no im not saying animals and people can mate and have offspring. i believe angels did mate with women because thats what the scripture says. you cannot pick and choose scripture and then add your own opinion, it is what it says. why wont you believe this when scripture states this clearly? also, in the book of job the sons of God came to the Lord wanting to torment job, and we know this was satan and other fallen angels. also 1 peter 3:19-20  through whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of noah while the ark was being built.  one more also, in genesis 6:4 also states the nephilim were on the earth in those days and also AFTERWARD which is speaking of after the flood .  so, i didnt intend that animals and humans can reproduce but have suggested that science is playing God in their labratorys.     shalom

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