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Correcting one another, is it scriptural? Are we called to Judge?
20 YEARS AGO THE MOST KNOWN VERSE BY THE WORLD WAS JOHN 3:16
John 3:16 (New International Version)
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,a]'>[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
However that has not been the case for a long time now. The text unbelievers and believers alike are extremely familiar with today is found in:
Matthew 7
Judging Others
1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. 6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
What do you think is the biblical stance, are we to judge or not?
Why do we have such a hard time correcting one another, doing the work of reconciliation?
What is Matthew 7 really teaching?
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Permalink Reply by forgiven on
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Hi David....I havent been here for a while....but yes, I do think we should correct each other especially if we believe we can help keep our brother from stumbling, even 'reprimand' those who we think are in error of false doctrine etc. However, I was quoting scripture. I do believe a day will come when this 'Word' is written on every 'man's' heart, 'by God' and there will not be a need for us to 'preach' right and wrong to another. At 'some level', amongst certain 'groups' of people, I have already seen this begin to manifest. But there are certainly many who need to be reached with the Gospel. There are also many who seem to have an 'other' gospel as Paul speaks of.
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Permalink Reply by David Velasquez on
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Don't be a stranger bro. We miss you, appreciate and love you.
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Permalink Reply by austin steven schooley on
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yeah but im having trouble with so in short terms are you sayin love others but on not what they do and address them like send me a message help me out here
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Wat up Austin,
Dude is great to see you in the forums. You got to join us more often bro.
I think you got what we are saying. Basically this is what we are saying bro:
We show the love God has given us for each other and the world in various ways. One of those ways is by looking to approach our family in Christ when God tugs at our heart to approach them about a sin issues, character flaw etc... They may be struggling with. God has commanded us to do such work and given instructions on how to go about doing that. The details are among the many posts in this discussion.
We do this in love and to be obedient to God, but we are aware that we are not called to condemn anyone, but to restore and build up.
I hope this answers your question - ohhh and yes bro we love our family, but hate the sin that may have a grip on them.
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Permalink Reply by The Shearer. on
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This is a very important subject for me ,and so should be for all christians .At this stage I like to sit back and take things in as much as I can with the blogs,and this post has added a lot to my walk ,and helped to cement a lot of my thoughts ,I read a good book on this subject a while ago by Derek Prince titled JUDGING When? Why? How?
As christians it is important that we watch out for one another ,we wouldnt be showing love if we didnt ,Im not the best sort of peoples person ,so I can sometimes come unstuck how I tackle some situations ,but I pray every day that God leads me ,we all get into situations where we have to face correcting people. I feel God likes to see how we handle situations and see if we are willing to learn and grow by them ,and the best way of growing is by getting out there and doing what the Word tells us .We are going to make mistakes ,but if we are sincere in what we are doing God will iron out the wrinkles.Thank you everyone for the education,and blessings in good work........Andrew.
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Andrew
No way bro - there is actually a book out there call that? hahaahah How cool is that. That is exactly what the Spirit gave me eons ago about the subject. Snap I should have written the book hahaahaha
You are correct I just goggled it. Man he stole my idea haha NOT! Just goofing off here - :)
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>>...and the best way of growing is by getting out there and doing what the Word tells us .We are going to make mistakes ,but if we are sincere in what we are doing God will iron out the wrinkles
Wow Andrew - That statement Rocks man. Praise God for that beautiful truth. You totally reminded me of my first encounters of putting this biblical truth to practice and how the exchanged turn ugly. But I did not give up and kept asking my Lord to help me do it with wisdom and I have not perfected it yet and doubt I will, but we keep growing and learning for God's glory.
Blessings my friend.
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Excellent verse for the discussion -
Thank you and blessings.
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"Righteous Judgment"
Matthew 7:1-5
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."
Matthew 7:1-5
In our society of so called "tolerance," we are often struck with an opposition of people who cry that we have no right to judge them. In fact, I've even heard some go so far as to claim that "Jesus never judged people; He even taught that we are not to judge!" Strangely enough, they will quote Matthew 7:1 in attempts to convince others that Jesus has condemned all judging.
In the first two words of this passage, Jesus does tells us to "Judge not..." But these two words have been perverted and twisted to teach that when one calls the actions of another error and expresses that continuance in such ways will condemn the soul, that individual is judging, which is supposedly "condemned" in the Bible. But from the context of this passage, what judging is forbidden? Is it judging that makes a distinction between right and wrong? Is there never a time and place for seeing and reprimanding a fault?
If we take the view that judging is completely and totally forbidden, then that would make the doctrinal and moral purity of the church impossible to maintain. This would violate other teachings and divine examples that Christ has revealed in His word (see: Matthew 7:15; John 5:30; 7:24). It would commit us to neutrality and that is the very opposite of the stance Christ wants us to take.
What many fail to realize is that Jesus taught, (in the same context of instructing us to "judge not") that we are given the right and responsibility to make judgments in order to help our fellow man with their problem of sin, provided we have first "remove the plank from our own eye." Jesus expects you to be able to see clearly, so that you can "remove the speck from your brother's eye" (Matthew 7:5). So there are judgments to be made, within ourselves, and of others.
But then, what judging is the Lord telling us not to practice? In our text, Jesus is forbidding the judging that is for the purpose of putting down others to exalt one's self. It is the habit of finding fault in others when really there are more faults within yourself. How can you expect to help a person with a few transgressions when you are overwhelmed with sin? Jesus simply teaches that in order to pass righteous judgment on another, we ought to first examine ourselves. Let us remove the plank in our eye. Then, and only then, can we see clearly to remove the speck in our brother's eye.
The teaching of Jesus in this passage is concerned with the attitude of a man, not a complete absence of our judgment. Christ is not permitting us to avoid making hard decisions or taking difficult stands. He is warning us not to have a bitter, hypercritical, faultfinding spirit. That is a haughty attitude God will not tolerate.
However, as God's children, although we must be cautious in our judgments concerning ourselves and others, we cannot ignore our Lord's commands that instruct us to make judgments. In John 7:24, Jesus said "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (emphasis mine: JH) Here we are clearly commanded to judge with righteous judgment.
But what does it mean to judge with righteous judgment? Jesus revealed this earlier in John 5:30: Jesus spoke, saying, "I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me."
If we seek and follow the true will of God, which can only be found in His word, then when it comes time for us to help people discern between right and wrong, then we will not judge with our opinions or what we think is right, but just like the mind that Christ had, we will only seek to do the will of the Father. Following the limitations for judgment that are taught throughout the scriptures, all we are to do in order to judge righteous judgment is to hear God's word, and judge using His standard.
How can anyone honestly say that Jesus didn't judge? For that matter, when our Lord's true followers make righteous judgments, based on His word, in order to expose sin and help the lost to be saved, why would anyone ever think that Jesus would condemn them for that? Jesus has plainly revealed that those who abide in His ways will judge with righteous judgment.
By John Hagenbuch
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Permalink Reply by Rita Cullimore on
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David,
We have a tendency to judge people and condemn them for what they do and say when what i think the Bible teaches is to try and discern what is going on with a person. Accusations don't get us very far in dealing with those who are walking outside of the lines. We would be better off trying to understand what a person is being motivated by than to accuse them outright. Once we understand what another is thinking, we can try to undo their ways through counsel and conversation.
Our first thought is that "this person isn't doing what the Bible teaches so therefore they are wrong". A better way would be, "why are you gossiping or why are you mad at the world" etc.
If we are striving to have the Word of God instilled in us, we need to respond with the love of our fellowman that God wants us to have.
"Honey is a good way to catch flies" or sinners!
Rita
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Amen sister Rita. Good word.
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Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.
The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life. Proverbs 31:10-12
A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver. Proverbs 25:11
A SOFT answer turns away wrath, but grievous words stir up anger.The tongue of the wise utters knowledge rightly, but the mouth of the [self-confident] fool pours out folly.
The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch upon the evil and the good.
A gentle tongue [with its healing power] is a tree of life, but willful contrariness in it breaks down the spirit. Proverbs 15:1-4 (Amplified Bible)
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