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the Gap theory
do you guys believe in what the researchers are talking about that happened in between gen. 1-2
what is your thoughts on this.
what is your thoughts on this.
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Permalink Reply by David Velasquez on
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Hey i had missed this post. Glad i found it.
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Permalink Reply by Edward George Farrell on
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I just wanted to say that I agree with you on this one. After I became a beliver the whole issue of creation gave me some trouble. I was convinced that God's word was true but I could'nt buy the ideas of creationists like Henry Morris. For awile I ignored the issue. Then I discovered the theory of Progressive Creationism. I finf it fits both scripture and science. I also discound the honesty of Dr. Morris. I was reading one of Hugh Ross's books when Dr. Morris came on the radio. He made a claim about something Dr. Ross said, having the book in front of me I checked the statement. It seemed that Dr. Morris had the statement completely out of context. I wish I could remember the details.
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Permalink Reply by Rev. Dr. Michael Dickson on
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Howdy FoundbyChrist!
I read your response and thought for awhile and decided to respond to what you said. I will post just a few excerpts from your post. You said...
****FBC--I do side with you on this Carla. Mike is a bit confusing. No offense Rev. Mike, I'm sure you are good God fearing Christian and I will not question your credentials.EOQ
Ok, You side with Carla and both of you believe the following...A Perfect God speaks a perfect Word of Creation = Chaos. Fascinating. Also, My Credentials have nothing to do with this Discussion. This Discussion is all about God's Holy Word and what He has told us.
****FBC--I myself am in no way any kind of 'heavyweight' when it comes to theology.EOQ
Well, I understand. And, by the Grace of God, I am a heavy weight in deep Bible Discussions.
****FBC--My point is this (again), Does it really matter how long this planet has been spinning around out in space?EOQ
Quite Frankly, Yes it does matter. The mere fact that many Christians do not look at this kind of Discussion as valuable opens the door to false teaching. Many Christians have said, Who cares how long the earth has been here. And, Satan loves it and no one realizes it.
****FBC--We as humans need to stick to the SIMPLICITIES of the Bible.EOQ
I totally understand your point. However, There comes a time when the simplicities of the Bible help one to grow and mature in God's Word. For an example. You do not expect a Christian to remain on the milk of the Word. You expect them to grow and mature and begin to feed on the meat of the word.
Simplicities of the Bible do have their place and use. Yes. But then, A Christian is expected to study and grow and become more knowledgeable of God's Holy Word. Remember Hosea 4:6. The Bible says in part...My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
****FBC--God's plan and Word for us is very, very, simple. We as humans are the ones who make it difficult.EOQ
Yes. Humans make the Bible difficult because when they read the Truth, many cannot accept what they read. So, They change the Truth into something they can grasp.
****FBC--His Word is very clear. HE IS GOD AND HE MADE EVERYTHING! He then gives us a history, complete with the His Law and covenant to us. A prophecy on the coming of His Son to keep that covenant. And then the fullfillment of that promise through His Son Jesus Christ. And last but not least, a final prophecy on how He will "wrap it all up". These are the only things we REALLY need to know.EOQ
Yes, God made everything. But, There are many Christians who still do not believe this.
****FBC--If He wanted us to know the 'extras', He would have told us.EOQ
He did tell us. And, I have shown in my posts exactly where to look. And, What have people said? Quote "Mike is confusing"EOQ. I take that to mean that God's Word is confusing because apparently no one understands what they are reading. Since they do not understand, This is what I am told...
A sudden abatement of water is the same as a gradual abatement of water. And, Water is the same as Fire. I sit here and look at these teachings from the 6 Days of literal creation Doctrine and I think, What in the world are these people thinking to even say such things much less even teach such things? No offense intended here.
****FBC--We can ask Him the technicalities of everything when He comes to take us home. (My wife wants to know why He made spiders...lol)EOQ
So, Your wife, Bless You Maam, and all other women in this world could enjoy wearing silk. And, Guys could enjoy wearing silk ties to Church.
God Bless You!
Dr. Mike
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Permalink Reply by David Velasquez on
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Hey Mike,
You said:
BOQ -"For 6 Day literal Creation, One Must believe and teach the following points...
1) Water has 4 states--In 6 Days of Literal creation water has the following states--liquid, solid, gas, and dry land.
note: Water only has 3 states in reality. It is Scientifically and Mathematically impossible to call dirt out of water. God cannot even do this without violating His Laws of Creation.
2) A Sudden Abatement of Water (Genesis 1:9) = a 7 month Abatement of water (Genesis 8:4). In other words, A sudden abatement and a gradual abatement are exactly the same thing" EOQ
I have read a few of you comments here and there and man you truly crack me up LOL funny.
Listen bro, cause this is powerful hahahaha-
EX NIHILO, NIHIL FIT, this translated means: OUT OF NOTHING, NOTHING CAN COME. IN SIMPLE TALK, WE SAY, YOU CANNOT GET SOMETHING FROM NOTHING, BECAUSE IF ALL YOU HAVE IS NOTHING, THEN THAT IS ALL YOU WILL EVER HAVE. NOTHING CANNOT PRODUCE SOMETHING. IF THERE EVER EXISTED A TIME WHERE THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, THEN WE CAN BE SURE THAT TODAY THERE WILL BE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
You follow Michael? Ok –cool, you do.
Now this is the little detail you are missing in 20 years, (You said: note- Once again, this is impossible. Matter of fact, I have met NO ONE in 20 years who can explain these points in 6 Days of literal Creation without violating any laws of Science, Math, and God's Holy Word), man Mike you better start hanging with Christians who analyze things not just with intellect, but by the Spirit and reasoning bro, hahaahaha.
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Here is what you are missing in the Formula:
The classical Christian view is that God creates the world – EX NIHILO – OUT OF NOTHING. DOES NOT THIS CONTRADIC THE LAW OF EX NIHILO, NIHIL FIT, which translated means: OUT OF NOTHING, NOTHING CAN COME? NOPE! WHEN WE SAY THAT GOD CREATES THE UNIVERSE OUT OF NOTHING, IS NOT THE SAMETHING AS SAYING, ONCE THERE WAS NOTHING AND OUT OF THAT NOTHING, EVERYTHING CAME. WE ARE SAYING THERE IS A SELF EXISTANT AND ETERNAL BEING THAT HAS THE POWER TO CALL OUT OF NOTHING SOMETHING INTO BEING. WE SAY IN THE BIGINNING THERE WAS GOD AND GOD….
AND GOD IS NOT NOTHING! HE ALONE HAS THE ABILITY TO CREATE OUT OF NOTHING. THIS IS THE POWER OF CREATIVITY. WHEN WE CREATE, WE CREATE FROM EXISTANT MATTER, BUT GOD DOES NOT CREATE THE UNIVERSE IN THE SAME WAY. HE HAS THE POWER TO CREATE BY HIS POWER AND AUTHORITY OF HIS WORD AND COMMAND, BECAUSE EVEN NOTHING CANNTO RESIST THE COMMAND OF OUR GOD.
You keep saying that God does not break his laws and you are right, He is above the laws He had set for His creation. Dude “Nothing” cannot resist my God, He speaks it, law or no law and the effectual command becomes a thing of the past. You are missing the fact that you are dealing with a God that is the source of all. He TRANSCENDS HIS CREATION AND HE IS NOT SUBJEBTED TO IT, AS WE ARE SIR.
SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS GOD CANNOT DO WHAT YOU claimed IMPOSSIBLE for Him to do. Not from your logical conclusions OR science that works for us, but with the word. I am showing that God can create something from nothing which breaks the Laws He set for us, not for Himself. Capish!
The ONLY thing God cannot do is what he says, He cannot do, such as sin etc….
Fascinating isn't, hahaha Dude! I am up at 2:00 am, looking for more of your posts cause you are funnnnyyyy Please don’t take offense at the capitalized sentences –I am not yelling, I just use them for emphasis. :)
Mike - you said: "I am a heavy weight in deep Bible Discussions." So so cool - Come on Mike lets have fun with this topic, show me where God says in the word, what you have boxed Him into.
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Howdy Advocate!
You said quote ****Advocate for Jesus--God is not the author of Confusion****EOQ. And, I agree with you. So, I have a question for you. What do you see in this equation?
A Perfect God speaks a Perfect Word of Creation = Chaos. In Essence...Perfection = Chaos.
Question: Doesn't this equation look confusing to You?
God Bless You!
Dr. Mike
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Howdy Jared!
Good to see you this evening, my time. Well, to answer your question, a Gap is dependent on the subject matter. You could have a gap of time. You could have a gap of space between 2 objects. Regarding Genesis 1:1-3, Some people refer to this time as a Gap Theory.
But, in reality, There is no theory here. What We have is Bible Truth when you know where to look in God's Holy Word, because He has already told us what He did through the New Testament Apostle Peter and the Old Testament Prophet Jeremiah. And, Don't forget the Old Testament Prophet Isaiah.
But, with all due respect and with the Love of Jesus Christ, when some Christians read these passages of Scripture, What do you think happens? Hmmm...Think about it.
God Bless You!
Dr. Mike
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Permalink Reply by Leonard T on
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Hey Mike,
Your position is but one of several views regarding creation. You, as most, believe your's is correct and biblically sound. The reality, including your view, is that all the views have some challenges regarding understanding and interpretation. Your view requires applying the prophesy about Israel's future as a deeper understanding about creation past in Jeremiah 4. It also requires a different understanding of 2 Peter 3 than is understood by most when put into the context of the whole letter. The debate has been waged for years and each camp will continue to defend their position. The most important part regarding understanding creation is that God is the Creator. Trying to understand His method and timeline will affect or current worldview, but not change our position with Him.
But, bottom line is that your's is only one of several views.
Lord Bless,
LT
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Howdy FoundbyChrist!
You said...****FBC--With those things being said, there are some things about creation that maybe we should not question.EOQ
Well, That may work for you and that is fine with me. However, For me, I want to know everything that there is possible to know and understand about God. Then, turn right around, And Teach what I have learned to those who are eager to know more about God.
God Bless You!
Dr. Mike
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