I am throwing out this discussion for EVERYONE. Being a single mommy and the sole source of guidance and support for my kids, I need HELP, ADVICE, INPUT and IDEAS!!! Not only am I the boo boo kisser, hugger, maid, taxi, cook, seamstress, mommy; I am also the bread winner, bad guy, jailer, punisher, task master, chore hound, etc... well you get the idea. I wear many hats and none of them even remotely cover what all is expected of me according to Proverbs 31 (now that is really a challenge). I am faced with disciplining my children in a society that frowns on discipline....I am fed up with the "reason with them" mentality. KIDS NEED DISCIPLINE. Am I the only one that got spanked and survived. How my parents disciplined taught me values, character and even though I made awful mistakes they loved me and I still love them to this day!! We live in a society that doesn't understand why kindergarden children are buying drugs!!!! BECAUSE the parents REASON with them. If I ran around in a restaurant my dad would have tanned my backside and grounded me! They have laws now that state "a red mark is abuse" Hey one small spanking leaves a red mark for about 10 seconds but abuse NO!!! I am speaking frankly here because I am a mommy that WANTS well behaved children and REASONING ISN'T WORKING HERE!!!! I have a 7-1/2 year old lawyer for a daughter and a 2 year old tantrum thrower son. Reasoning leads to frustration and frankly I am hoarse (for real) from screaming. One half tells me a good old-fashioned belt whuppin is what my daughter needs and she will respect me and so will my son...others say oh no that would damage my relationship. Okay folks... lets hear spank or not....HOW DO WE DISICPLINE ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE!!!!????