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Permalink Reply by Carla on February 28, 2020 at 8:32am

Hi June,

Welcome to AAG.  I'd love to engage in discussion here, but I'm not really sure what you're asking.

You mentioned Lust of the Flesh, Lust of the Eyes, and the Pride of Life, then you ask " it makes it impossible to achieve this bible verse right?"  I'm not sure what you're asking.  Would you mind clarifying in different words..

Blessings, Carla

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Permalink Reply by June Raven on March 1, 2020 at 12:40am

Hi Carla, long time no chat,

As I said above, it says  “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof

 but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”

All that pertain to the World all of it, …..  If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him……

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

In 2 Corinthians 4:4

In whom “god” of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of “God”, should shine unto them.

I don’t know  whos “god” small “g” the bible pertaining but in the internet it says satan, or the devil maybe but for sure its opposite of what is good because of the word blinded.

Then the similarity , For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

We know the  and hardship or  death or all negativity which is not good belongs to evil pertain especially to Death , it is Just for me kindly help me if this one is in the Bible

Those Will of God maybe I think are

The Lust stated Above, Lust of Flesh, Lust of Eyes, and Pride of Life

10 commandments in the Old test Testament

2 Commandments of Lord Jesus which is Love and all his teachings in New Testament

And lastly this is from Micah 6; 8 of Old Testament

1.Do Justly (what is right or righteous) (the Justice Sytem in our World or Due Process, Hearings or Conversation before Judgement)

2.Love Mercy ( forgiving those who are your enemies or offenders, in the teachings of Lord Jesus Love your Neighbor or enemies)

3.walk Humbly ( Lower your Pride, Bow your head or your body as gesture as a sign of lowering yourself,  In a verse are  So the last shall be first and the first last, And whoseoever shall exalt himself shall be abased, and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted

Im asking and declaring to be might true that is the

but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”

The Will is in the above and the “abideth” was to dwell or reside according to my American Dictionary or in other transtlation of the bible was lives, remains, stay, continue  FOREVER.

That’s the things I want to say or asking In Heaven or in Earth? Thanks Carla for replying

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Permalink Reply by Tammy on February 28, 2020 at 9:37am

Based on the title of this discussion, I'm not seeing it flow within the body. I'm not sure I'm understanding the theme you're trying to present to us. Can you tell us more so that we can have more of a back & forth unless this was just more of an informative discussion & not one that requires interaction.

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Permalink Reply by June Raven on March 1, 2020 at 12:42am

Yes tammy I posted it above in reply of Carla

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Permalink Reply by Carla on March 1, 2020 at 9:35am

Hi June,

I think you may be asking where we will live forever...in Heaven or on Earth??

I think your question may have something to do with abiding.  I have an article here for you.  Please let me know if it is helpful.

This is just the start of our discussion... Hopefully this helps.  Here's the article:

Question: "What does it mean to abide in Christ?"

Answer: To “abide” is to live, continue, or remain; so, to abide in Christ is to live in Him or remain in Him. When a person is saved, he or she is described as being “in Christ” (Romans 8:1; 2 Corinthians 5:17), held secure in a permanent relationship (John 10:28–29). Therefore, abiding in Christ is not a special level of Christian experience, available only to a few; rather, it is the position of all true believers. The difference between those abiding in Christ and those not abiding in Christ is the difference between the saved and the unsaved.

Abiding in Christ is taught in 1 John 2:5–6, where it is synonymous with “knowing” Christ (verses 2 and 3). Later in the same chapter, John equates “remaining” in the Father and the Son with having the promise of eternal life (verses 24 and 25). Biblically, “abiding in,” “remaining in,” and “knowing” Christ are references to the same thing: salvation.

The phrase abiding in Christ pictures an intimate, close relationship, and not just a superficial acquaintance. In John 15:4–7, Jesus tells His disciples that drawing life from Him is essential, using the picture of branches united to a vine: “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.” Without that vital union with Christ that salvation provides, there can be no life and no productivity. Elsewhere, the Bible likens our relationship with Christ to that of a body with a head (Colossians 1:18)—another essential union.

Some people take the warning of John 15:6 (branches that do not abide in the vine are thrown away and burned) to mean that Christians are always in danger of losing their salvation. In other words, they say it’s possible to be saved but not “abide,” in which case we would be cast away. But this could only be true if “abiding” were separate from salvation, referring to a state of intimacy with Christ we must strive to attain post-salvation. The Bible is clear that salvation comes by grace and is maintained by grace (Galatians 3:2–3). Also, if a branch could somehow fall away from the vine, resulting in the loss of salvation, then other, very clear passages of Scripture would be contradicted (see John 10:27–30).

It is best to interpret the True Vine metaphor this way: Jesus is the True Vine, obviously. The branches who “abide” in Him are the truly saved—they have a real and vital connection to the Savior. The withered branches who do not “abide” in Him are the unsaved pretenders who feigned an attachment to the Vine but drew no life from Him. In the end, the pretenders will be seen for what they were: hangers-on who had no authentic attachment to Jesus. For a while, both Peter and Judas seemed identical in their walk with Christ. But Peter was attached to the Vine; Judas was not.

John restates the withered-branch principle this way: “They [people now opposed to Christ] went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us” (1 John 2:19).

One of the proofs of salvation is perseverance, or sustained abiding in Christ. The saved will continue in their walk with Christ (see Revelation 2:26). That is, they will “abide” or remain in Him. God will complete His work in them (Philippians 1:6), and they will bring forth much fruit to the glory of God (John 15:5). Those who fall away, turn their backs on Christ, or fail to abide simply show their lack of saving faith. Abiding is not what saves us, but it is one of the signs of salvation.

Proofs of abiding in Christ (i.e., proofs that one is truly saved and not just pretending) include obedience to Christ’s commands (John 15:10; 1 John 3:24); following Jesus’ example (1 John 2:6); living free from habitual sin (1 John 3:6); and the awareness of a divine presence within one’s life (1 John 4:13).

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Permalink Reply by June Raven on March 1, 2020 at 11:13am

The Question,

Question: "What does it mean to abide in Christ?"

Honestly I make myself to believe  in the Bible which convince me even I never sense the  “name” “Lord Jesus Christ”, Im always telling myself where He is, but because of  what I have read and see it makes me not innocent of  the Knowledge which determined if where “innocent”. So I answer “YES” even myself tells its “NO”. I will worship Him Second to the First I was known which is in the “name” of  GOD. The Meaning of abide is stated all above and the meaning of Christ was Messiah or Anointed One or Jesus of Nazareth  from the internet or my American Dictionary. Then dwell or reside ,lives, remains, stay, continue or in my own understanding like Obedience or follow  as you said in Christ.

The Word ABIDE Starts in A and end with E which has 5 words ( just illustrating nothing to inform other than that) The CHRIST was  C and T and SIX letter WORD in JUDDAISM of Jews. And Jesus was nailed in the “t” shaped which has 5 letters. Just squeeze through all that has been created. I dont know How and Who created it but it tells a meaning hiddenly or MAYBE. Its stated in the internet was ETYMOLOGY i have unknown idea of it

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Permalink Reply by Carla on March 1, 2020 at 11:58am

I appreciate that you're here trying to get to know who Jesus Christ is.  

I'm having a little trouble following your questions, comments and posts, but I will try to understand.

Do you understand who Jesus is?

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Permalink Reply by June Raven on March 1, 2020 at 11:32pm

Yes I know the Lord Jesus in the Bible, slightly or a little only, in reality no of course ,no in person, that’s Im looking for, Do you believe Ms. Carla that Lord Jesus  will come to our world like in the Bible says?. Then what Do you think “if” that’s real and “Heaven” without a doubt was True, will be a good life we attain when He come that who believe and Trust Him or worshipped Him as Son of God or God?.

Since 2018 I only knew to read Bible then I’m 2 years Old for Him not counting the none days of reading

And I say , I don’t completely knew Him as Lord Jesus of the Bible

 

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Permalink Reply by Carla on March 1, 2020 at 9:39am

Here's another article which may be more in line with what you're asking:

Question: "Will heaven be on earth?"

Answer: People may speak of spending eternity with God in heaven, and they may also speak of eternal punishment in hell. There has been a recent wave of theologians who deny that punishment for sin is eternal, and a number of others have written books countering that wave with titles such as Whatever Became of Hell and Erasing Hell. Technically speaking, heaven and hell are not places of eternal blessing or eternal torment. Heaven and hell refer to the places of the dead at this moment.

The word hell is often used to translate a number of terms (sheol in the Old Testament, and gehenna, hades and tartarus in the New Testament.) These terms usually refer to a “holding place” for the dead. Gehenna certainly adds the concept of torment. In Revelation 20:14 we see that death and hell are cast into the lake of fire. Technically, the lake of fire, not hell, is the place of eternal torment, but in modern usage most people think of it as hell. The concept of eternal punishment and separation from God is probably more important than whether the name attached to it is technically correct.

Likewise, “heaven” is not the final destination for believers in Christ. In the Old Testament, heaven usually refers to “the heavens,” that is, the sky or maybe what we would call space—some place “up there.” This came to be associated with where God is. In Revelation, we see worship of God taking place in heaven (chapters 4—5), but the word heaven can also refer to “the sky.” When Jesus ascended, He ascended “into heaven” (Acts 1:11), but this may simply mean that He went up, without specifying that He went to a place called heaven. Likewise, when He returns, he will descend from heaven (1 Thessalonians 4:16). In 2 Corinthians 12, Paul relates the experience of being caught up into the “third heaven,” which is the very abode of God. Likewise, Hebrews speaks of Jesus’ ministry in heaven (Hebrews 1:3; 8:1; 9:24–25). Since 2 Corinthians 5:8 says that if believers are “away from the body,” that is, dead, they are “at home with the Lord,” then it is accurate to say that a Christian who dies “goes to heaven.”

However, heaven is not the eternal home of the Christian. Second Corinthians 5 also points out that while in heaven, away from the body, we look forward to our resurrection body. Too often, eternity with God is pictured as sitting on clouds and playing harps. Human beings were created with physical bodies, and those who have become children of God by faith in Christ are waiting for new physical, material bodies. We also know that the current heavens and earth (as referred to in Genesis 1:1) will be destroyed and replaced with new heavens and a new earth “where righteousness dwells” (2 Peter 3:12–13).

The new heavens and earth are the eternal home for the believer. The imagery in Revelation 21—22 seems to point to Eden-like conditions. Once again God will dwell among His people. Adam and Eve were given the job of tending the garden and subduing the earth before the fall, and there is every reason to believe that the people of God who inhabit the new earth in resurrection bodies will continue the work of Adam and Eve before the fall, enjoying the work they do and the unhindered fellowship with God. On the new earth, we will continue to work, learn, grow, develop, and accomplish things. Since there were animals in Eden, there may very well be animals on the new earth as well.

An old song says, “This world is not my home; I’m just a-passing through,” and a few lines later, “If heaven’s not my home, then, Lord, what will I do?” It is true that this world is not our home. But it would be technically correct to say that heaven is not our home, either. When we die and go to heaven, it, too, will be a place that we are just “passing through” as we await our new bodies made to live, work, worship, and fellowship on the new earth. In this sense, what we think of as heaven—a place of full enjoyment of the presence of God—will not be in heaven but on earth—the recreated new earth.

Revelation 21:1–5 records this scene: “Then I saw ‘a new heaven and a new earth,’ for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, ‘Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. “He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death” or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.’ He who was seated on the throne said, ‘I am making everything new!’”

It is important to note that “heaven comes to earth” only through God’s miraculous intervention and re-creation. No amount of human effort, as noble is it may be in some cases, will ever be able to create “heaven on earth.” We cannot manufacture utopia. Through the work of the Holy Spirit, Christians have access to God and experience freedom from many of the effects of sin, but we still only have a glimpse of what is yet to come.

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Permalink Reply by June Raven on March 1, 2020 at 11:46pm

I have no idea or any clue or guesses about Heaven, only in Genesis pertaining to Heavens above Sky or clouds. Or maybe the Space. Then this Just comes in my mind  technically or materially , We have senses like other Creatures, but we don’t knew or See or Sense the Soul, or Spirit, Maybe that’s why its not the Time, our evolution runs in the Time here on Earth until We Sense Them those , Holy Being or Being s in Heaven or Hell or other Dimensions or Realm. This Just a guess and no evidence its not a fact just an illusion in the mind but its nothing wrong to say, whats on my mind. Science is the basic  thing  to knew the Creation and God and in the contest or debate natural selection or evolution is in the Science. Then those who are Unexplainable or None in Science , thats were the Bible and God came from, that’s why the more intelligently you believe in Science the less likely you believe in a Creator or God of Heavens and Earth. As of now even it might be wrong  I only believe in the God of Earth here and now our reality

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