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God hates sin and were to confess sin but what if a person dies a quick death and they have no time to repent of a intentional sin they kelp comitting will they still go to heaven just something i wanted to no
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Permalink Reply by Mary O on
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Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 8:35-39)
Something that I've seen in Romans 8. The Lord knows we have egos. In verse 38 it talks about angels principalities, powers, things present and things to come. In verse 39, is God being repetitive and flapping His gums? No. The height is anything that would exalt itself against God. It was really bad before I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour. I think about the times I have put myself first and failed to go to God when I should have. "God, it's okay, I've got this." Yet this doesn't separate me from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus my Lord. He loves me anyway. He doesn't give up on me. He works with who we are. I believe He molds our character and helps us to grow in Him.
Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. (James 1:21)
It doesn't say we'll never sin again, but we are supposed to lay them aside. The alternative is to receive with meekness the engrafted Word which is able to save our souls.
Love,
Mary
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Permalink Reply by Carla on
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Hi Ananda,
I don't know if you saw my forum conversation: http://www.allaboutgod.net/forum/topics/responding-to-people-who-li...
But it is a really good example of the feelings of guilt and condemnation of the enemy when we believe his lies that we are sinners. People who are not born again by the Holy Spirit will not always acknowledge the changes that occur in the new life of the believer. Saying that a 'born again Child of God' is a 'sinner' is the same as not acknowledging the NEW works of the Holy Spirit in our lives.. It is the same as reminding others or ourselves of our past, and our inability to change. But since we have the Holy Spirit living inside of us, with God's guidance, counsel and conviction we are able to change. We are new creations. The old has gone, the new has come.
Please be very careful when you are speaking about this. Your comments are coming across as condemning.. I would be very wary to call a Child of God a sinner.... Why did Jesus die then? If we are still sinners what good is HIS Resurrection?
Blessings, Carla
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Permalink Reply by Ananda Welikala on
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The GREATEST Christian that ever lived was the Apostle Paul. If not for the "pen and ink" he held in his hand (moved by the Holy Spirit), we would not have three quarters of the New Testament. Rom. ch. 7: 14 to 23 were definitely how he thought about his own life. If I say that I am better than Paul, I would be boasting to no end.
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You're missing the point. You are viewing us according to the flesh, and denying our 'newness' This is not about boasting. Humility is powerful when it is genuine.
2 Cor 5
"16Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer. 17Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. 18Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, 19namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
20Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
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If my comments seem to be condemning...what say you about Saint Paul's comments in Rom. 7: 18 and 20? How do you pussy-foot around those words?
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Permalink Reply by Leonard T on
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By understanding the new birth ... by understanding Romans 8 ... by understanding the great truths presented in Scripture that reveal who we are in Christ NOW.
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Here's the key verse regards intentional sin: First st John 2:1: "My little children, I am writing these things to you so that YOU MAY NOT SIN. And {but] if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
There is absolutely no question that all human beings sin, Rom. 3:23 states that all humans are sinners. If we say we have no sin, we LIE and WE MAKE God a liar. 1st John 1:8 and 10.
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Actually Romans 3:23 states "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." That is not the same as saying all humans are "sinners" again differentiating between and action (sinful act) and state of being (who we are ... sinner or saint)
Rom 3:20-31 KJV Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. (21) But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; (22) Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: (23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; (24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; (26) To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. (27) Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. (28) Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. (29) Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: (30) Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. (31) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
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Rom. 6:23: 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Even tho' we are born again, we will one day face DEATH. (Unless Raptured before death of course).
Death comes as a result of sin. Death is a WAGE for sin. It means that our death comes because of the SIN in us all the way to our last heart-beat.
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There are two types of death. There is physical and there is spiritual. All will face physical death, but not all will face the second death. Our physical death is a result of the fall and is clearly pronounced by God when He expelled Adam and Eve. We also know that we are born with the sin nature and are born spiritually dead and separated from God. That is why we need the Holy Spirit to quicken us, that is to bring to life that which is dead. Not only are we quickened, but in that process we are also made new creations spiritually. This new creation that will not ever die resides within the earthly flesh that will die, and yet the flesh will one day be changed as we will be given the new bodies.
Thus, the now spiritually alive child of God does not face the second death because we are eternally alive in Christ. Though we sin (the act) we are not sinners (state of being) because we have been changed and indwelt by the living God who now sees us as His children and calls us saints in His Word given to us by the very Holy Spirit who lives in us.
Again, the Word tells us that no sinner (state of being) will enter into eternal life. So are you a sinner (state of being) excluded from eternal life or a saint/child of God (state of being) guaranteed eternal life? You cannot be both.
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As I said once before I am a sinner on my way to be present with my Lord Jesus Christ at the moment of my death, if my death comes before my RAPTURE as in 1st Thess. 4:16.
If I die physically it is because I have sin. Why? Because the cause of physical deathg is nothing but sin. The Lord said the Adam: The day you eat of the forbidden tree...you die. Adam did not die the day he ate the fruit. But he died physically at age 930 yrs. Why? Because he sinned 930 yrs prior.
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Not true. Because of Adam and Eve's sin all human's face physical death. Even in the rapture the flesh of those alive at that will be changed. Because of God's initial judgment on mankind all humans are born spiritually dead and destined to separation from Him for eternity, unless they receive Christ as Lord and Savior. We are born sinners because we spiritually have a sin nature at birth. We start separated from God, dead to Him and needing the Holy Spirit to quicken us. In that quickening we go from spiritually dead in the fallen flesh to spiritually alive in the fallen flesh. For the child of God will shed this flesh, either by physical death or during the rapture ... and all will be given new bodies. In the quickening we go from being a sinner (spiritually dead) expecting to experience the second death (which is different from physical death that all humans will experience due to the fall) and we become a child of God that is removed from the wrath of God and will not experience the second death.
You die physically because Adam and Eve sinned. Please go back and read Genesis. To repeat, because of that sin we are born spiritually dead and separated from God destined for the Lake of Fire, unless we receive Jesus. The final judgment that goes beyond just separation from God for the lost sinner will involve their personal sin and they will be judged under the law. The Child of God is not judged (which is a neutral word that can be either positive or negative) judged for sin, Jesus died for that, but rather judged for rewards based on their life in the Spirit.
It appears that you do not understand the difference between physical death and spiritual death, nor understand the difference between being spiritually dead and spiritually alive now through the work of the Holy Spirit.
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