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Permalink Reply by Seek on March 2, 2015 at 6:24pm

I hope he clarifies, but I belive he's asking if it's possible that people speak from the Spirit but maybe don't articulate what they're trying to say well. People communicate differently, come from different backgrounds etc.

IE: If I told an American I fell on my bum, they might ask if he stank. If I pose the same question to someone in the UK, they might ask if it hurts.

It doesn't mean I didn't know what I was talking about but that I didn’t articulate it well because I didn't know how that person may process information differently.

I have had people say I start at the middle or end of a story like I think they know what I'm talking about. Others say they have no problem understanding me. I also have those who've said I have a weird sense of humor and yet others who love my sense of humor. So who's right/wrong? Or is it just in our human weakness that we don't always articulate well or misunderstand one another?

Permalink Reply by Seek on March 3, 2015 at 3:28am

Go for it. I don't care if people have a funny bone or not...it's to their loss since laughter is always good medicine. I'd love a joke anyway. ;-)

And yes I see good points to both but I also know that each of us must walk our own path. Since we're to be discerning, I don't have this fear of falling into any cult because when I hear something I always pray and seek out truth in the Word. Some beliefs I hold have become more solid though I cannot claim I am correct but that these are beliefs I hold based on my own study and time with God. But the Gospel is one belief I've not questioned and that's the thing that must be true of anyone before I discount them. I figure God is going to give me wisdom and set my path straight on other matters addressed in scripture. There's no debating black and white. We know the 10 commandments. We know Jesus is the only way. We know we have to remain in Him/the Word. We know we're to pray, etc. For the rest...if one believes it is sin then to him it is sin. To him...not to another. So if one feels sprinkling instead of immersing is sin...to them it is. If they feel tongues is sin and wrong according to their understanding then it is. The same is said of tithing, demonic possession and a host of other beliefs that aren't the Gospel message. To me, Romans 14 is good to live by. I got the message to act and not stand debating the reason, to others the message was Christians can be possessed and it didn't fit their belief system. And Romans 14 applies.

Permalink Reply by Leonard T on March 3, 2015 at 4:49am

Seek,

And yes I see good points to both but I also know that each of us must walk our own path.

NO!!! This is not correct. We do not seek to walk in our own path. We seek to walk with the Lord in HIS path guided by Holy Spirit and the Word of God, empowered by Holy Spirit to obey the Word of God. In the Book of Judges we see that everyone did what was right in their own eyes and that is viewed as a failure not something to aspire to be like. While it is true that we each have a personal journey with Christ it is also true that the journey is on the narrow road, not wide road.

 

Since we're to be discerning, I don't have this fear of falling into any cult because when I hear something I always pray and seek out truth in the Word.

You speak for yourself in this discussion regularly, but my concern is especially the masses of seekers and new believers who are not yet able to discern truth from error. They are prone to being misled by fine sounding false teachings. There are cults full of well meaning people who were looking for something and find the wrong thing.

 

Some beliefs I hold have become more solid though I cannot claim I am correct but that these are beliefs I hold based on my own study and time with God.

There is a great difference between what you have stated and what a false teacher states. You admit that your views on some things are your opinion based on what you have read and learned. False teachers are prone to teach these things, whether in alignment with God’s Word or not, as fact and that unless you agree with them you are in error.

 

to others the message was Christians can be possessed and it didn't fit their belief system.

Because it does not align with God’s Word and is at the center of the article, not just an additive.

Permalink Reply by Seek on March 3, 2015 at 5:59am

..NO!!! This is not correct. We do not seek to walk in our own path. We seek to walk with the Lord in HIS path guided by Holy Spirit


And this is exactly the point I keep making. When saying walk our own path....it's fairly obvious that the path discussed is the one with God. None of us can get another to walk with God. But the immediate conclusion was that I said something completely different.

Permalink Reply by Seek on March 2, 2015 at 5:50pm

How do you know something you just said you've never listened to one iota of?

Permalink Reply by thewatchman on March 2, 2015 at 6:39pm

Read my reply to Eric please and that might help explain.  

I'm not going to argue with you Seek, I love you very much.

Permalink Reply by Seek on March 2, 2015 at 8:06pm

I read it. I didn't understand what the answer was however.

Permalink Reply by Seek on March 2, 2015 at 8:20pm

Also, I don't see it as an argument to try and understand what someone means when it's not clear. If you have discerned one to be a false teacher you had to have listened and quite a bit cause that's a hard call to make on just a sermon unless it's, as you said, obvious. Which goes to my other question on what did they say that wasn't the full truth? Is there any scripture that says you no longer have to tithe? Is there one saying a Christian cannot be possessed? Is there one saying we have to be baptized in physical water? That tongues were only for the Acts church?

There are many Scriptures that aren't black and white because the Gospel is the good news of Christ. The rest of scripture is useful for training and rebuking. So are we saying someone is false for teaching tithing, water baptism, possession, tongues? Or is the false teacher one who preaches the rapture already happened or that Jesus was just a man and not God?

Permalink Reply by Leonard T on March 3, 2015 at 4:29am

Seek,

It depends on what they teach about the subjects you have mentioned. So a generic label does not give clarity. One example ... if one says you are not saved unless you are baptized by water their teaching is false and because they have taken the good news and changed it to require a work of the flesh they can be labeled as a false teacher. The message of salvation they are teaching in this hypothetical example requires something and what they are saying to you, me and all of the church is that unless you are baptized you are going to hell. In their teaching baptism is a barrier to salvation. There are numerous groups that believe not only in the necessity of water baptism, but that their group must do perform the baptism or you are not saved ... they are false teachers bordering on (and in some cases are actually) being a cult.

A false teacher is a person who does not simply make a mistake here and there, but is one who takes the core message and changes it or adds to it. They do this on numerous topics. Another example is if one teaches that Jesus is just a man I already know that many of their other teachings are in error because of how this first belief will affect the rest. At the same time we see a teaching that does not align with Scripture (and Scripture is not open to personal interpretation no matter what anyone thinks ... there is only one true interpretation of any Scripture, there can be various applications, but that is different from interpretation) we may have to back track how they see this in light of core doctrine and not attempt to see it as an isolated teaching, for at some point all that we believe ties together in harmony or is out of alignment with God's Word.

Thus, when you see numerous breaks from the Word of God and one professes to be a teacher we can rightly label them a false teacher.

Hersey being introduced into the church is age old. The Apostles Creed and Nicene Creed were drafted to refute the heresy that was attempting to influence the church ... not much has changed. I am currently preaching using the Apostles Creed as my guide with the understanding the Apostles Creed itself is not Scripture, but it does encapsulate doctrine that is taught in Scripture. We need the fundamentals to be correct, an d this means examine and reexamine, or the whole house is in jeopardy. Getting those fundamentals right will help refute the errors and exaggerations found by many who call themselves teachers today.

Permalink Reply by Seek on March 2, 2015 at 5:48pm

So what is the full message and truth? I mean if it's something that black and white it should be easily stated.

Permalink Reply by Tammy on February 22, 2015 at 8:16pm

The reply I posted actually had nothing to do with who the writer was. I was going on with you earlier although I don't put much clout into him. But, since you said something about it, I might as well share my thoughts. I'm not sure how I feel about taking the good of a pastor/teacher/evangelist & leaving the bad, not that you asked my feelings. I do believe this can be dangerous especially for the more immature follower.

Let's take an evangelist who is a leader of a mega-church, has several published books that may have even been on the top seller's list, appears to be accepted in the Christian world because of their prosperity, etc. Then you have an underdeveloped nation that looks to us for leadership. They take their words as gospel - the good & the bad. You don't even have to have those in other nations. Christians that are immature here take everything they say as correct. This is how I feel about them. What does light & darkness have to do with each other? Why take in some dark with some light? I guess I just don't see it this way.

Permalink Reply by Seek on February 22, 2015 at 8:58pm

So you agree with everything your pastor says? I've never met anyone who does. One of the biggest reasons people leave churches is over disagreements. They can agree with most everything but then one disagreement comes up and they're off looking for a new church.

I thought of leaving mine over disagreement on two issues, nevermind the dozens I agreed with. I started looking at the doctrines of other churches and found a theme. I found more than a couple things I disagreed with at other churches just reading their website. So why leave one just to find disagreements with another? No one will ever agree with anyone 100%. It doesn't mean that person is evil. We are ALL growing.

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