Assurance of Salvation

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Permalink Reply by Leonard T on February 22, 2014 at 8:53am

You have finally stated it differently. In the above I can agree with the understanding that Tozer attached the obedience to the saved and not to be or remain saved. The saved will seek to live for Him,

Permalink Reply by thewatchman on February 22, 2014 at 9:03am

Hallelujah!  

Permalink Reply by Leonard T on February 22, 2014 at 9:06am

I second that "hallelujah!" :-)

Permalink Reply by thewatchman on February 22, 2014 at 9:08am

:)

Permalink Reply by thewatchman on February 28, 2014 at 9:02pm

Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

So has Jesus lied to us?

Permalink Reply by thewatchman on February 28, 2014 at 8:59pm

 Romans 6:14-15, “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.” How easily we could prevent confusion if we accepted exactly what the Bible says. 

If there were no law, we would have no need for God's Grace.

Permalink Reply by Seek on March 14, 2014 at 6:56am

http://www.gotquestions.org/erased-book-life.html explains it well. 

Many have no assurance because they have not grown to maturity.  I had no assurance for quite a while.  I still have thoughts at times, but I'm standing more firm on scripture each day as I stay in it.  And we're told that false believers will not remain in the vine. 

Look at John 15:1-4:  “I am the true vine, and my Father is sthe vinedresser. Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you.  Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.

This is saying that we bear more fruit as we abide in Him.  So a recently saved person may not appear to bear much fruit, but if the fruit doesn't grow they may not be abiding in Christ or in the Word, remaining in the Word, and so He ultimately takes them away....or perhaps reveals the mask they've been hiding under.  The unbelievers who profess to be Christian.

I warred about my assurance because I couldn't tell that I was bearing fruit.  I was looking at the mature Christians who didn't react to those who hurt them terribly and I was not able to do that...those who didn't get irritated with people and I was still doing that...and so I thought I wasn't saved because I wasn't acting appropriately.  Yet others have commented on things they've seen grow in me, and it's come to a point that I can finally recognize these things.  It's a process we all go through. 

I warred with eternal salvation as well until I'd read and studied scripture enough that I could see that those who do not remain are those who are the unbelievers professing Christ.  They are among us but not of us.  I had to come to the realization that it is "true repentance" that is the key.  Not everyone who says they've repented truly have.  They are like dogs who return to their own vomit eventually.

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