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How do I explain this?

If someone says Jesus can't be God because Jesus prayed to God like

² And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+11:2&version=KJV

If I get told "See Jesus didn't pray to himself he prayed to his Heavenly Father". I know Jesus didn't pray to Himself but I'm not sure what to tell them.

And if someone says

¹⁷ Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+20:17&version=KJV

If someone says Jesus can't be God because he has a God what do I say?

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Permalink Reply by Tammy on May 12, 2012 at 9:58pm

lol. But after a day, the chocolates are gone but the shoes last a while.

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Permalink Reply by feet breath on May 11, 2012 at 7:14pm

I've never been a JW. They came the Summer right before I got into 10th grade. Jesus saved me in 11th grade, Sat. May 29th 2010. So, they came before Jesus even saved me. I never told them He saved me.

Yep, I'm looking to be firm in the faith. I know what it's like to hear trash talk about the trinity for example. Ever since Sept. of last year I've been trying to find answers from people online. At first it was just for my mother and my sake. Eventually, the Holy Spirit got me to where I have to share the truth, the gospel with them, the JW...

This is a spiritual battle. And, I can't just leave it...For what happens if my mom hears the words "Jesus is God" on t.v and questions me? If she finds out she'll probably tell the JW so I'll be corrected of my "pagan" belief. They'll find out and be afraid to have her around me. And she'll probably get convinced to be baptized...than she's done for. She won't be allowed around any non-JW (unless they're converts). That means family members...they've destroyed familes in the past. I don't want the same to happen in this family (this family is difficult enough it doesn't need something to push it). There's people that would probably join a bible study in my family an they'd become JW possibly...

They'll have mom thinking I'm persecuting God's people, I'm sent by Satan to plant seeds of doubt, I'm a hater of Jehovah...it's about control. And if she ever wants to leave any JW friends there (and anyone in the family who may join)...they won't even be allowed to talk to her, not even a "Hi" on the street. If so they may be disfellowshipped as well.

I never said this on this forum but it's a secret fear...It was asked of the elder if they'd refuse the RFID chip (or something like that I'm not sure how it was worded). The reply, "Oh, well have to see what the organzation says when the time comes."(or something along those words). If the RFID chip is the mark...

The JW believe the mark is spiritual. So, they'd convince mom that it'd be ok to take it...If it is the mark and the organazation forces her to take it than that;s it...

Honestly, I'm scared my legs are shaking a little....I've been with this orgnazation (not a JW but have been in their Kingdom Hall atleast a few times like for the memorial, have been given literature...) for almost 4 years...I know through research and experince some things these people are capable of. I know some of their tactics. And I'm teriffied what will happen to mom, this family and me...

To make the fear worse I have to secretly do to this behind mom's back. JW aren't allowed to use internet(some do but they better not get caught). If they find out I used the internet to get help from ex.-JW and people in "Christendom" (they hate Christendom)...that'll make this even worse. Combine it all together...

My legs are shaking literly. I'm scared...if they find out the truth....

I can't tell any family members or my friend (who doesn't come around much anyways)...I don't have any face to face Christians to tell this to...

LT, I'm sorry...

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Permalink Reply by Amanda on May 11, 2012 at 7:28pm

You don't know that all of this will happen or would happen. You are having all of these "what if ..." thoughts and worrying about things over which you have no control anyway. If your Mom decides to become a JW, it is between she and God. All you can do is speak the Truth to her and pray for her and leave it in God's hands and ask for His will, not for your will. None of it is your fault. Thinking that it is or could be your fault is a lie from the pit of hell so don't believe it. You must trust in God. My two sisters shun me. I am a laughing stock to them. All the hardships I have suffered in my life are proof to them that they are right and that I am lost. But many Christians feel the same way about me. It's a lost cause to try to please people or get them to love and accept you. Either they do or they don't and it's in God's hands, not mine or yours.

By all means keep learning about the truths in the Bible and ask as many questions as you need to ask but please don't read their materials anymore. If you are called to witness to them, God will equip you.

To overcome your fears you must learn to rely on God and not your own efforts.

Then he said to them: “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11 There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven.

12 “But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. They will hand you over to synagogues and put you in prison, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name. 13 And so you will bear testimony to me. 14 But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. 16 You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers and sisters, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. 17 Everyone will hate you because of me. 18 But not a hair of your head will perish. 19 Stand firm, and you will win life.--Luke 21, NIV.

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Permalink Reply by feet breath on May 11, 2012 at 7:33pm

Thank you sister, especially for that last verses.

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Permalink Reply by Jenny on May 13, 2012 at 2:38pm

thanks for this!

i heard a great fact that we can apply to studying the bible: when a person studies to be a pro at detecting counterfeit money, they don't spend their time studying all of the counterfeit bills; they spend all of their time studying REAL money. They get so thoroughly familiar with the real thing that the moment they see a counterfeit, they detect it immediately. So don't spend your time studying the 100 counterfeits; rather spend your time studying the real thing.

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Permalink Reply by Tammy on May 13, 2012 at 4:23pm

I've heard that one as well Jenny

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Permalink Reply by feet breath on May 11, 2012 at 8:35pm

I know this is out of the blue but does anyone think if I pray hard enough and don't doubt that Jesus will let me see one of His angels or possibly Himself tonight? It would help ease the pain...

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Permalink Reply by Amanda on May 11, 2012 at 9:05pm

His presence is already with you. I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being (Ephesians 3:16, NIV).

You have a lot of anxiety. It is difficult to turn off the voice of fear. Allow His Word to fill your soul.