Is The Church Still Carnal?

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Permalink Reply by Leonard T on February 10, 2012 at 4:25pm

Joe,

 

We need both the Spirit and the Word. They are in agreement. The Word tells us that the written Word, Scripture, is God breathed and useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness. This is God's Word on the matter. Now, our new life is in the Sprit, but it is also guided by the Word. Why? I can only give a partial answer. Notice how many different views we have on the written Word. The problem will only exponentially get worse if man were left to trust his spirit and mind. You know as well as I do that there are multitudes of people out there that proclaim God has told then such-and-such and yet they do not agree with each other. Is God confused? How do we evaluate the truth of that statement? It must be the Word. If we disagree with them they will simply accuse us of being unspiritual (Think I recently experienced that somewhere). The Word is still a guide Book. The law was fulfilled in Christ and the penalty removed for the born again, but the truth of His Word did not change. We live in the New Covenant, but murder is still sin as is adultery. God's economy changed, but not His Word ... it is still true. The Word is spiritually discerned, but the spirit is to be in alignment with the Word. Even in the spirit we will not know all truth, but the truth God deems us necessary to know.

 

There is a real problem when a person leans to hard on one or the other, the Spirit or the Word. It is not an either or ... our life is guided by both. There is also a danger when people attempt to introduce a theology that allows the spirit to guide to things outside of Scripture and often beyond Scripture.

 

Yes, I am fundemental in my beliefs and charasmatic at the same time.

 

I repeat, our life cannot be guided by one or the other, but rather we are guided by the Word and the Spirit.

 

Let me ask a question you can decline to answer. I assume you attend a church or form of church. Do they use the Word of God in their teaching? If it is only the Spirit, then why would they use the Word?

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Permalink Reply by JB on February 11, 2012 at 12:01am

 

To answer your question LT, I have always gone to churches that teach and use the Bible as the written Word of God, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. I have since learned that Christ is not up in heaven, nor is He still in the grave, but as the Word says that He is in us, as well as is the Kingdom of God, the Word. or Commandments. Rom.10, and Deut.30:11-14. So when a person looks at the Word only for guidance, he will get or have a legalistic view of righteousness, and not a Spiritual conviction within themselves, based of course on the Word of God in them.

This can be somewhat confusing to some, though it does say in Rom.10, He is not, “speaking of Christ“, but in another place it says that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father. So that same Christ that was in Jesus, is in us here on earth to do the same works that Jesus did, and some day we will be there with Him.

So see we do agree on one thing, We are guided by the Spirit and the written, or revealed Word of God.

So yes LT.

I understand and believe that ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and it is profitable, for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, why?? That the man of God, may be perfect, ”mature” thoroughly furnished unto all good works.…. Good ole KJV. lol,

However it does say that when He, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I. that he shall take of mine and shall it unto you.

Now you surely must know that I read the Word and I believe the Word is God speaking to us. Even though He is speaking to the natural Jew, I believe He is also speaking to us, that are born again. Because we are Jews inwardly. But now where we run into trouble, is in the interpretation of the written Word. “ I know this might raise a few eyebrows, but just because it is written in the bible, doesn’t mean that is exactly what He is saying, or meaning. You know yourself how people can take scripture out of context. There’s that word again “context” but it is only out of context, based on ones teaching or understanding, I marvel at those that call themselves “apologist” They can only defend the Word based on their knowledge or understanding, it could be from a Catholics view point or from the Fundamentalist or Charismatic, or some say they are “Orthodox” So who is to say who is right? Only the Holy Spirit; as it has spoken or revealed it to the person. But too many that are condemning the ones that say the Holy Spirit revealed it to them, shouldn’t be too quick to judge them, because they are not all wrong, because as I just quoted that the Holy Spirit will take of His and show it unto us. He “the Holy Spirit” will never show someone things that are not in the Word of God. Actually all He is doing is, giving or revealing Christ or the right interpretation of the Word, not some far out confusing words, that only breads doubt and confusion, in James 3, I believe it says that the Wisdom that is from above is first, pure, peaceable, gentle, easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality or hypocrisy and the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace, by those that make peace.

This is something that was a revelation to me one morning, when I asked God about faith, I said Lord I’m just going to ask you about faith, and in my spirit, I heard, whether audible or not, but it was a profound impression on my innermost being, And it said, ”faith does not move me” and I just about fell over, I had never heard anything like that before in my life. And then I said YES that’s right, faith will move mountains, but it doesn’t move God. Because God has already given us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, and then I said yea Lord, but I do everything you tell me to do in the Word, and I don’t see these signs following me as you said they would in Mk.16, …. Lay hands on the sick and they shall recover, you told the disciples to go out and raise the dead cleanse the lepers heal the sick etc. They were in the same dispensation that we are, they just went out and did it, what did they have that we don’t have, and that Spirit spoke again and said “it is not what they had that you don‘t have Joe, but it is what you have that they didn‘t have, your radio, television, car pmts. House pmts, and all these things that pulls your eyes off of Me. And I said, ”But Lord, I use my radio and TV to get more word in me, [at that time I usually only watched and listen to Christian programs] And that Spirit said “that‘s another one of your problems, see when you watch _________ every Sunday morning, on TV that says that it is my will that all be healed, and then you hear ______ _____every night on the radio that says, it is not My will that all be healed, or they would be healed wouldn‘t they? So when you go to lay hands on someone to pray for them, you don‘t know who is right, or if it is my will to heal or not, and you will have a wavering faith, read James 1, about a wavering faith” well I knew what James said about the wavering faith. And I said “Lord, from now on I will listen to the preachers and teachers, but I will only go by what Your Word tells me.

I know this was a little long, but the Word says that the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches and the lust of other things, choke the Word and it becomes unfruitful.MK.4:19 you might read ver.20as well. As far as faith moving mountains and not God? He says “You say unto this mountain and not doubt in your heart……” He didn’t say ask Me and I will move that mountain for you. A wavering faith will not allow you to move that mountain, or what ever it is. Need to read 2Cor.4:6-7 The power is of God and not of us.

So I only judge what they tell me the spirit tells them, by the Word as I understand it.

So many times people will use words and passages for a blanket, to mean the same in every place it is used in the bible, and that just can’t be true, ie faith, grace, saved, wisdom etc. By doing so we will get a distorted view or understanding of what is actually being said. This is where the Spirit intervenes. But it will never tell someone things that can’t be supported in or by the Word.

Joe

　

　

　

　

　

　

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Permalink Reply by Leonard T on February 11, 2012 at 5:41am

So when a person looks at the Word only for guidance, he will get or have a legalistic view of righteousness, and not a Spiritual conviction within themselves, based of course on the Word of God in them.

There is a need to be guided by both the Holy Spirit (who is the presence of Christ in us) and the Word of God. This goes back again to the understanding that it is not an either or, but both the Word and the Spirit. If we attempt to live by one without the other we will fall into error that leads away from God.

 

This can be somewhat confusing to some, though it does say in Rom.10, He is not, “speaking of Christ“, but in another place it says that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father. So that same Christ that was in Jesus, is in us here on earth to do the same works that Jesus did, and some day we will be there with Him.

I understand the difference here and where you have stated elsewhere. Jesus is the Christ, Christ is not His first or last name. I disagree on one point. I see the Scripture teaching that when He ascended that He sent the Holy Spirit to indwell us and to bring His presence to us. In that context we have the Spirit of God in us that connects us to God in numerous manners, and one is Christ in you the hope of glory., but that Christ in you is the essence of Jesus who sits at the right hand of the Father. I point this out because what I am reading by you, correct me if I am missing your POV, would present God as four in one instead of as a Trinity. We would have the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit and the Christ.

 

Regarding Jesus, on earth one has to ask a question about His works. Did He perform the miracles in His own power or through the Holy Spirit who empowered Him? I believe that it is the latter. In this He has set an example of what a man (though He was God in the flesh) can do when He is in alignment with God and empowered by the Holy Spirit. The alignment and empowerment require one thing from us ... surrender in all things once we are born again. To the degree that we do not surrender we will hinder the work of God through us. This goes back to the view of God begin sovereign and a sovereign God giving man liberties in this life, but that is another discussion.

 

So see we do agree on one thing, We are guided by the Spirit and the written, or revealed Word of God.

We are in agreement depending on what is meant by “revealed Word” as this means different things to different people. I believe that God speaks to us today through various ways or means, but what He speaks will always align with and never contradict the written Word (the Bible). I do not believe that we receive new revelation, but rather illumination to truth by the Holy Spirit. There are no future books to be written before the end comes.

 

 

I understand and believe that ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and it is profitable, for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, why?? That the man of God, may be perfect, ”mature” thoroughly furnished unto all good works.…. Good ole KJV. Lol,

Again, we agree depending on our view of good works. I believe that we are each given a particular task, or tasks, to complete in this life. Your good works and mine must be God honoring and glorifying Him, but the actual task(s) will differ as to scope and location. Yes, we are furnished with everything we need to accomplish the good works and as each part of the body completes its good works the whole will be accomplished.

 

However it does say that when He, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I. that he shall take of mine and shall it unto you.

What He shall hear He that shall He speak. God will reveal all truth and knowledge to us that we need to complete the task we have been given. I do not read this as God will give us the breadth and depth of His knowledge into all things in this life.

 

All things that the Father hath are mine ..., again, all things that we need will be given to us with a purpose. That purpose is to fulfill the task, Our life goal must be “not my will, but Your will be done.”

 

Now you surely must know that I read the Word and I believe the Word is God speaking to us. Even though He is speaking to the natural Jew, I believe He is also speaking to us, that are born again. Because we are Jews inwardly.

In reading the Word there are some things that we need to identify before broad brushing, not saying you are, a text and applying it to us. We need to identify to whom it is being given. Is the application of the command universal or to a specific person or group? If it is a universal command/promise then it applies to us. If it is a command given to a specific person or group we can draw out principles. We also need to identify if the command/promise is conditional or unconditional. Another item to identify is whether it is an eternal command/promise or temporal.

 

But now where we run into trouble, is in the interpretation of the written Word. “ I know this might raise a few eyebrows, but just because it is written in the bible, doesn’t mean that is exactly what He is saying, or meaning.

I approach Scripture at face value. In this I simply mean that we must identify the type of text we are reading. If it is poetry it should be read as poetry. If it is historical, then historical. If allegorically, then allegorically. Etc ....I think it is dangerous to read it as only literal or as only allegoric.

 

You know yourself how people can take scripture out of context. There’s that word again “context” but it is only out of context, based on ones teaching or understanding,

Yes, people misinterpret often do to a lack of understanding context. This is true of me as well … at least once or twice (LOL) Context must be determined by several things. Two come to the top of the list. The passage in which a word or subject is found and the various uses of a particular word throughout Scripture, as the best interpreter of Scripture is the Holy Spirit and the Word (Bible) itself.

 

I marvel at those that call themselves “apologist” They can only defend the Word based on their knowledge or understanding, it could be from a Catholics view point or from the Fundamentalist or Charismatic, or some say they are “Orthodox” So who is to say who is right? Only the Holy Spirit; as it has spoken or revealed it to the person.

Yes, only the Holy Spirit understands the Scripture without error. I believe that there is only one true meaning to any given text, but that there can be many applications or principles derived from that text. I believe that the Holy Spirit may give an application or principle to the person as they seek to follow Him, but will not give one interpretation to one person and another interpretation to another person. Thus, the principle or application will flow from the intended interpretation. Who is right? That is the $100,000 question. The answer is only God.

 

But too many that are condemning the ones that say the Holy Spirit revealed it to them, shouldn’t be too quick to judge them, because they are not all wrong, because as I just quoted that the Holy Spirit will take of His and show it unto us. He “the Holy Spirit” will never show someone things that are not in the Word of God. Actually all He is doing is, giving or revealing Christ or the right interpretation of the Word, not some far out confusing words, that only breads doubt and confusion,

In this we are in full agreement.

 

 In James 3, I believe it says that the Wisdom that is from above is first, pure, peaceable, gentle, easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality or hypocrisy and the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace, by those that make peace.

Agreed.

 

This is something that was a revelation to me one morning, when I asked God about faith, I said Lord I’m just going to ask you about faith, and in my spirit, I heard, whether audible or not, but it was a profound impression on my innermost being, And it said, ”faith does not move me” and I just about fell over, I had never heard anything like that before in my life. And then I said YES that’s right, faith will move mountains, but it doesn’t move God.

I agree and teach that neither faith, nor prayer, move God. The primary purpose of both is to bring us into alignment with God so that He will work through us for His glory.

 

Because God has already given us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, and then I said yea Lord, but I do everything you tell me to do in the Word, and I don’t see these signs following me as you said they would in Mk.16, …. Lay hands on the sick and they shall recover, you told the disciples to go out and raise the dead cleanse the lepers heal the sick etc. They were in the same dispensation that we are, they just went out and did it, what did they have that we don’t have, and that Spirit spoke again and said “it is not what they had that you don‘t have Joe, but it is what you have that they didn‘t have, your radio, television, car pmts. House pmts, and all these things that pulls your eyes off of Me. And I said, ”But Lord, I use my radio and TV to get more word in me, [at that time I usually only watched and listen to Christian programs] And that Spirit said “that‘s another one of your problems, see when you watch _________ every Sunday morning, on TV that says that it is my will that all be healed, and then you hear ______ _____every night on the radio that says, it is not My will that all be healed, or they would be healed wouldn‘t they? So when you go to lay hands on someone to pray for them, you don‘t know who is right, or if it is my will to heal or not, and you will have a wavering faith, read James 1, about a wavering faith” well I knew what James said about the wavering faith. And I said “Lord, from now on I will listen to the preachers and teachers, but I will only go by what Your Word tells me.

I agree, but we also must be careful that we are being held accountable so that we do not fall into error. Where I pastor I tell the congregation to not believe it because I said it, but rather verify it with the Word. If I am wrong or you are unsure, come and address me so that I can explain my position or be corrected. I also tell them to get a little background on a preacher or author before you spend time reading or listening to them.

 

I know this was a little long, but the Word says that the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches and the lust of other things, choke the Word and it becomes unfruitful.MK.4:19 you might read ver.20as well. As far as faith moving mountains and not God? He says “You say unto this mountain and not doubt in your heart……” He didn’t say ask Me and I will move that mountain for you. A wavering faith will not allow you to move that mountain, or what ever it is. Need to read 2Cor.4:6-7 The power is of God and not of us.

Yes, the power is of God and not us and is for His glory, not ours.

 

So I only judge what they tell me the spirit tells them, by the Word as I understand it.

True, and some things are more clear than others.

 

So many times people will use words and passages for a blanket, to mean the same in every place it is used in the bible, and that just can’t be true, ie faith, grace, saved, wisdom etc. By doing so we will get a distorted view or understanding of what is actually being said. This is where the Spirit intervenes. But it will never tell someone things that can’t be supported in or by the Word.

Agreed on the principle here.

 

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Permalink Reply by JB on February 11, 2012 at 10:40am

 

 

Lt

I agree with most of your counter responses, only a couple of things that we could clear up is. IMO. Of course. “bold faced”

I understand the difference here and where you have stated elsewhere. Jesus is the Christ, Christ is not His first or last name. I disagree on one point.

I see the Scripture teaching that when He ascended that He sent the Holy Spirit to indwell us and to bring His presence to us. In that context we have the Spirit of God in us that connects us to God in numerous manners, and one is Christ in you the hope of glory., but that Christ in you is the essence of Jesus who sits at the right hand of the Father. I point this out because what I am reading by you, correct me if I am missing your POV, would present God as four in one instead of as a Trinity. We would have the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit and the Christ.

The Son, and The Christ, are one and the same. That Christ in us is the only thing that makes us “Sons of God” our mortal flesh can not be a son of a Spirit. Remember we produce after our own kind. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit, is Spirit. Rom.8:9 says that we are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit…….if we have not the Spirit of Christ, we are none of His.

The Christ! Means “I know you understand ” is that Jesus was the only one anointed, of or by, God, to bring salvation, or reconciliation, to the world, by the sacrifice of His own body.

We in turn are anointed by God through the Word, “the Holy Spirit” to preach, teach the world about this salvation that God has provided us through His Son. We now are anointed by God and given the ministry of reconciliation. And I don’t believe He was just talking to the apostles. We need to recognize the fact, that we are who God says we are. After being reconciled to God, we are no longer of this world, but New Creatures.

And the light that God has shown in our hearts, to give light “revelation” of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ, should also be seen in our faces, “that which we are identified with, or by” Ver. 7 says that we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God and not of us.

In MO this treasure in earthen vessels, would be “the revelation knowledge, of God in Christ Jesus, by whom we also are identified with.”

So I am not saying there are 4 in one, for according to Jo.14:20 says that in that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me and I in you. Now we become one with Him. We are not on our own with just a new nature, or a change of heart.

Regarding Jesus, on earth one has to ask a question about His works. Did He perform the miracles in His own power or through the Holy Spirit who empowered Him? I believe that it is the latter. I believe this is addressed in the underlined portion above. We can do nothing on our own, it has to be the Holy spirit in us, as Jesus said in Jo.14:10 that it is the Father in Him, that doeth the works. Also in Jo.5:30, He says, by my self, I can do nothing, I judge only as I hear, and neither can we do anything on our own, we can only judge, preach, teach as we hear.

In this He has set an example of what a man (though He was God in the flesh) can do when He is in alignment with God and empowered by the Holy Spirit. The alignment and empowerment require one thing from us ... surrender in all things once we are born again. To the degree that we do not surrender we will hinder the work of God through us. This goes back to the view of God begin sovereign and a sovereign God giving man liberties in this life, but that is another discussion.

　

We are in agreement depending on what is meant by “revealed Word” as this means different things to different people. I believe that God speaks to us today through various ways or means, but what He speaks will always align with and never contradict the written Word (the Bible). I do not believe that we receive new revelation, but rather illumination to truth by the Holy Spirit. There are no future books to be written before the end comes. Amen, I agree , Heb.1:1-2 explains the highlighted part above.

　

Again, we agree depending on our view of good works. I believe that we are each given a particular task, or tasks, to complete in this life. Your good works and mine must be God honoring and glorifying Him, but the actual task(s) will differ as to scope and location. Yes, we are furnished with everything we need to accomplish the good works and as each part of the body completes its good works the whole will be accomplished.

But the Word says, the works that He did and greater works than these shall we do.

I believe that every Christian has the ability to do what ever is necessary at the time the situation presents itself. Mk.16 says that we are to go into all the world, preaching the Gospel to every creature, those that believe and are baptized ,shall be saved, …….. These signs shall follow them that believe, “this includes everyone that believes“, In my Name shall they cast out devils, “no need to wait for an exorcist ” They shall speak with new tongues,………… they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover, “no need to wait for a preacher or one with the gift of healing.” You are equipped! but as I said before in another thread, Faith, Grace, Vocation, and Calling , all have to do with the same thing, that is a Divine influence upon the heart. Every body does not have the desire “or calling” to preach, teach etc. So it is God or the Holy Spirit, that is the influence that gives us that desire to do. For it is God that worketh in us, both to will and to do of His good pleasure. Phil.2:13

　

What He shall hear He that shall He speak. God will reveal all truth and knowledge to us that we need to complete the task we have been given. I do not read this as God will give us the breadth and depth of His knowledge into all things in this life.

Not in this world, necessarily, but 1Cor.2, says that “the Spirit searches all things, yea the deep things of God” In Col.2.9,10 for in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily and ye are complete in Him., James 1:16 says and of His fullness have all we received and grace for grace. The same grace that led Jesus, is the same grace that will lead us, this is why He told Paul, that His grace was sufficient for him, this too is another subject.

But when we look at the fullness of God, we as intellectuals, and not spirituals, can not comprehend, the ability we have residing in us, through Christ. Eph.3:16-20, … that He would grant you according to His riches in glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit, in the inner man, So that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith, and that you being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all saints, what is the breadth, the length, the height, and the depth, and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, and that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God., Now unto Him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we can ask or think, according to the power that worketh in you.

My prayer for all of us.

Sorry I have to use so many words to get my thoughts across.

Joe

All things that the Father hath are mine ..., again, all things that we need will be given to us with a purpose. That purpose is to fulfill the task, Our life goal must be “not my will, but Your will be done.”

Amen!

Seems like for the most part, we are in agreement.

　

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Permalink Reply by Leonard T on February 11, 2012 at 12:00pm

Joe,

 

I have read this three times and do not see anythingt to respond to. As you said "Seems like for the most part, we are in agreement. Discussing things to develop clarity helps for that to happen on both our parts.

 

There is a statement I really like (Paraphrased by me, I think)

"In the essentials, unity. In everything else, grace." Of course, in my view, this speaks to the realm of the Christian brotherhood.

Permalink Reply by Leonard T on February 10, 2012 at 4:30pm

Joe,

 

Though I may not agree with a number of things you believe, I do respect you. You usually handle yourself and express your views in a proper manner.

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Permalink Reply by JB on February 10, 2012 at 8:58pm

LT.

I also have great respect you, and thank you for conducting your position as moderator of this site in “my opinion” a professional manner.

I would however be interested in knowing a little more about some of the issues that we don’t agree on. Just a couple would be appreciated, thanks again.

Joe

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Permalink Reply by Leonard T on February 11, 2012 at 4:31am

Joe,

 

Thanks for the kind words. Off the top of my head I don't recall the particular differences other than what has been metioned here and the view of faith, which I will respond to as time permits in the above comment. Beyond that I don't remember the exact issues, but will ponder it and respond accordingly.

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Permalink Reply by Amanda on February 10, 2012 at 4:08pm

Your views seem very relativistic to me. Liberalism does not regard the Bible as inerrant or even factual and considers it not as truth but just a model for religious ideas but many in the charismatic movement are also teaching that the Bible is only a witness to additional revelation that God is giving today--that the Bible is just a model and we can accept other additions to Scripture because it is not the final source of revelation.

Edward N. Gross said:
The age of models has come. A model takes the place of a law. Models are human perceptions of truth. They are tentative and thus subject to change as new data becomes available. These models are open and constantly tested. No scientist dares claim any longer that one model is the way to explain all known phenomena for fear that some newly discovered data will prove that scientist to be a precipitous old fool. The world of science has progressed from the old approach (closed systems) to the new approach (open systems). . . .
If the Bible is a closed system of truth, with no new revelation being given through inspired prophets or apostles, then the “model approach” is an erroneous and dangerous tool in hermeneutics.
There should be no confusion in this area. The orthodox teaching of Christianity has always affirmed that God’s special, saving revelation to mankind is restricted to the teachings of the Scriptures. . . .
This is the issue. If the Bible is complete, then it represents a closed system of truth. If it entails a fixed and absolute standard of truth, then the teachings of Scripture may be ascertained and dogmatically asserted. If God is still granting new revelation, then the truth of God is still being progressively revealed, and if this were the case, our duty would be to faithfully listen to today’s prophets as they unravel God’s truth in new and clearer representations than we find in Scripture. Few Christians really consider the subtleties of today’s “prophets” as an improvement upon the sanctifying truths given in the Word. I certainly do not. (Edward N. Gross, Miracles, Demons, & Spiritual Warfare (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1990) 150-52.)

Mr. West, my questions for you are does God still give new revelation, and if so, how do you know this to be true? I believe God speaks to me. I do not consider it new revelation but enlightenment through Holy Spirit on what God the Living Word has already revealed in His Written Word. I do not worship the bible. I worship the One True God who has been revealed to me as Father Son and Spirit in the Scriptures that we call the bible.  

John 1

King James Version (KJV)

John 1

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

16And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

17For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

 

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