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HOLY SPIRIT--WHO ARE YOU???
Who is the Holy Spirit?
What is His purpose?
How do we get Him?
How are we baptized by Him?
I would like us all to put our knowledge of the Holy Spirit together so that we can better understand Him.
He is an awesome part of our Christianity but do we really know Him?
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Permalink Reply by dean burrows on
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I believe Hebrews 10:1-18 answers your question. It was at the final spilling of the blood. It is Finished.
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I agree with your thoughts on this regarding Pentecost being about the empowering of the church. I think that it is important for us to recognize that the empowering came at Pentecost. As I posted with earlier scriptures, Peter and John were empowered when they prayed. This is what I think we need to do also. When Christ went to set captivity captive, He hadn't resurrected yet but there is proof through what others saw of the fact that there were people brought out of Paradise after His death and before His resurrection. Even though Christ is God, he was empowered by the Holy Spirit as He walked this earth.
A thought came into my mind....when people are born again and having the Holy Spirit dwelling in them, are they then able to heal the sick, open blind eyes, raise the dead? Or do they need an additional empowering of the Holy Spirit, a filling with the Holy Spirit? I refer back to Jesus while He lived as a human. Although He had the Holy Spirit in Him when He was baptized, He was further empowered by the Holy Spirit and the Bible clearly states that.
Just a few thoughts on the same line as the topic.
Blessings....
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Permalink Reply by David Velasquez on
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Rita,
Read my comment again, without thinking I am attacking you and you may find that the begining of my comment is a question to you. You placed verses and you do not expound on them, apart from asking one question on the post I replied to. So I was asking you, if you meant what I thought you meant by them. I was not trying to debunk your interpretation sis, relax and take it easy, reread my post and see if you get the samething you got the first time you read it.
Blessings
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David,
I truthfully don't know what you are asking me to do. I have tried to respond to each of your posts as you wrote them, so now I'm not sure what you are asking. The only verses I posted that I didn't expound on are the two places in Acts where Peter and John prayed and received the filling of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2 and Acts 4:31. I had hoped to show through the event at the end of Acts 4 that, through prayer, one receives a filling of the Holy Spirit.
29 And now, Lord, clook upon their threats and grant to your servants5 to continue to speak your word with alldboldness, 30 while eyou stretch out your hand to heal, and signs and wonders are performed fthrough the name of your gholy servant Jesus.” 31 And when they had prayed, hthe place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and ithey were all filled with the Holy Spirit and jcontinued to speak the word of God with boldness.
The Holy Bible : English Standard Version. Wheaton : Standard Bible Society, 2001, S. Ac 4:31One thing I can't agree on is the *period of transition* that you mentioned at Christ's death and resurrection.
51 And behold, pthe curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And qthe earth shook, and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of rthe saints swho had fallen asleep were raised, 53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into tthe holy city and appeared to many. 54 uWhen the centurion and those who were with him, vkeeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe and said, w“Truly this was the Son9 of God!”
These verses don't indicate that it was transitional but that they took place at once.Christ told the disciples (Apostles) to wait until they received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. John 20.21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As jthe Father has sent me, keven so I am sending you.” 22 And when he had said this, he lbreathed on them and said to them, m“Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 nIf you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”David,I didn't start this topic to start an argument. In fact, there are far too many arguments in AAG as it is because we don't listen to the other guy's thoughts and understandings. As I explained to LT, I am simply trying to get a better understanding of the Holy Spirit and the part He plays in our spiritual lives. For the person that doesn't believe in the filling of the Holy Spirit occurring more than once, or the Baptism of the Holy Spirit being separate from the water baptism...I have no grip with that. Nor do I have a grip with any who don't care to join in the discussion. I am simply trying to increase my knowledge and to share what I have learned.The fact that you don't agree with me has nothing to do with me. The knowledge I am receiving is through study and the Holy Spirit. I let Him be my teacher.
I did feel like you were attacking me but I realize that you want me to agree with what you are saying. I can't always do that and I won't even try if it is a point that I stand firm in. But I will try not to argue a point except to say I don't agree and why I don't agree. I am trying to remember to back my mouth up with Bible verses. I have a time remembering to do that.
Blessings to you and yours.....
Rita
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>>I choose not to agree with this statement because Christ was resurrected at the time He spoke this.
And what does the fact that Jesus was already resurrected have to do with anything pertaining to the discussion?
>>you are saying that they are already saved.
Yes, Amen.
>>You are saying the Holy Spirit indwells us at salvation.
Yes, Amen
>>You say they still needed additional Holy Spirit Baptism.
Nope- That is not what I am saying. This is what I said: "Those verses are not teaching that the disciples were already saved and though they were already saved and Holy Spirit indwelt, they still needed and additional Holy Spirit Baptism. the reason they had to wait was because Jesus was still on Earth."
I clearly stated that they did not need a Holy Spirit Baptism, the only reason why they had to wait for the Spirit to come, is because Jesus was still among them.
John 16:7 "But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
>>That is what I actually said. Jesus not having ascended has little to do with it because He ascends shortly thereafter.
Really? Are you sure about that sis?
>>As my *preconceived notions*.....I study the Word of God.
This is what I said: "So I encourage you to leave all preconceived notions or teachings aside and to ask God to lead you to the truth in this and other topics, as it appears that you do. I am glad you are bringing up such topics, these forums are a wonderful vehicle God has provided for all of us to learn."
In other words, it appears to me to that you don't allow preconceived notions to influence you and you try to get enlightenment from God. Rita I have been in this community for a very long time. I am familiar with the theology and writings of most active members; I am familiar with your beliefs. As I often do, I was reminding the community through that message not to allow any preconceived notions to keep them from being edified by the truth.
>>You say I am wrong yet you haven't exactly told me why I am wrong with information to refute what I think. What you have done is tell me I am wrong without showing me how I am wrong. That sounds like bias to me, but I could be wrong about that. At any rate I will discuss topics of the Bible with you, but until the Holy Spirit leads me to something different, I will continue to believe what I am learning.
The Holy Spirit often uses us to edify each other and help us grow, so the Holy Spirit often uses people, your brothers and sisters to correct our wrong interpretations. I have not invested that much time on the discussion or explaining why your understanding does not align closes to the truth of scripture because like I said I do not have that much time, but since you are asking me to show how my interpretation of scripture aligns closer to the truth, I will, for we all should rightly divide the word of truth and be able to give an answer to all who ask. I get drilled at times with questions asking me to explain my stance and you know what sis, I love it. I absolutely love it. Anyone making a comment anywhere, who is not ready to have their views challenge or to be edified, should learn to enjoy such exchanges. The truth of scripture is only one. We are called to come to the unity of the knowledge of Christ (Eph. 4). Don't take my inquiries and challenges to your understanding as an attack, but learn to love it, for it’s an opportunity for you to grow in all sorts of ways. To learn how to explain biblically why you believe what you believe and so many other wonderful things, like maybe edifying me with the truth, if I have it wrong.
I tell you, I love it. Ask me all you want (unfortunately time does not permit me to make a huge investment, but as time permits I will respond). I smile when I am asked to explain my stance or belief. Oh man that is music to my ears, for it’s a chance to bless those God has given me access to. Instead of asking that no one challenges the topics etc... Embrace the exchanges that challenge your current understanding if that means that you will come closer to the truth or that you will bless a member of the body of Christ with truth.
Enjoy the discussions family. I am here, because I simply adore talking about EVERYTHING pertaining to God and Godliness and also edifying the family in Christ.
I will break down my understanding of scripture about this topic to you a bit later, as time permits. In the mean time family, challenge ALL I write, it only grants me an opportunity to bless you. God commands us to examine all things.
Blessings
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Have a question. Watching the discussion of agreeing disagreeing. For a moment try to imagine we do not have an advantae and put ourselves in a few charactters spot. Noah build an ark in a desert and use a valuable resource which is very limited. Abraham pickup and leave your family move to an unknown destination. Joseph you have spent the past year preparing a home a means to support that home and new family , well sorry but support Mary instead. Regardless of the fact that the community you have worked so hard to become part of is now going to shun you and leave you no choice but to start over with nothing.
How does any of this measure up to scripture. If the Holy Spirit guided you in any of these directions how would you know it is right. Looking to and quoting scripture what in scripture would tell us to go completely against all that has been built. Can you imagine the people surrounding these people. What must they have been saying and thinking about their relationship with the Lord.
At some point have you ever considered the idea the Holy Spirit may guide you to go completely against the grain. How would you explain that . What quotes would keep you credible to the fellow christians around you. I believe it is time to stop boxing up faith and step out . The Holy Spirit will guide - is our faith strong enough.
In The Lord may we Trust.
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Permalink Reply by Leonard T on
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Dean,
I am not fully following what you are saying. Could you explain what you mean by the following?
"completely against the grain."
Lord Bless,
LT
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In today's modern society it is rather hard to relate to the situation of Abraham and the community he left behind.
As example if you don't mind will use you . Let's say you live in close knit community. The people in the community are interdependent. You hold a rather needed position in the community. Oh and the community is God fearing. They have built there community based on their knowledge of God's commands. I know our western world doesn't make this concept very easy to picture but please bear with me.
You have a vision/dream God is telling you to move on. Where well He hasn't quite disclosed that yet. You are to just pickup and head west. Why well as of yet we are not quite sure. You do know that God has assured you all will be good.
So far not to bad. It could possably happen in fact I think it did right. Imagine your congregation community relatives if this is what you tell them. Wait for the next part.
You head out taking with you your share of the community wealth. An entourage of 100+ people from the community. And of course leaving a big hole to fill.
All this with no apparent direction just that you have recieved favour of The Father. Can imagine the response. I have been in congregations where people moved and I saw the response there. I could only imagine if our communities where more committed what the response would be.
listening to all the agreement - disagreement about what verse proves what I am wondering if we know the Holy Spirit well enough to trust and follow through when He calls for us to step out.
I would like to hear more of what the Holy Spirit is doing in our lives. Not the verses that prove He lives.
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exactly I think sometimes we spend to much time disagreeing about fine points of the word and not enough time realizing what The Spirit is doing in our lives. I personally believe no I know that even though what the Spirit may do in one life is personal to them it does effect all. To grow in the Spirit it helps to know how and where He is moving. At times I have to admit when I hear how the Spirit has moved in a persons life I often wonder why not me. Then out of no where I am either moved or reminded of how the Spirit has moved in my life.
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Dean,
That clears it up as I was thinking you were headed down a different trail :-)
From my perspective it is both Scripture and Holy Spirit. The two keep us in check so as to not go in one direction or the other too far (Spirit only or Word only). It has to be both.
Lord Bless,
LT
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Yes LT there should be a balance yet the balance in your life may be very different than the balance in mine. We need to spend less time debating the balance and more time understanding. I have found the Spirit brings me to the one liners in scripture quite often. Those one liners more often than not clarify the long lists. The word is very important but without the Spirit the Word holds no meaning. Jesus made it clear He had only touched on the surface He sent the Spirit to teach all we need. I find that one liner very exciting.
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At the same time we need the Word to make sure we are hearing from Holy Spirit and not other spirits or our own thoughts (1 Jn. 4:1). Yes, the balance may look different, but there will be balance and it is unhealthy for one to attempt to walk in one without holding closely to the other. The Holy Spirit will never contradict the Word.
A great example of this error is seen on AAG frequently. Two people will discuss/debate a topic and bot with opposing views claim they are Spirit-led. We know that both cannot be right, one may be right or both could be wrong.
Lord Bless,
LT
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