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REGENERATION?
Does regeneration occurs before we are saved or after? If we receive the Holy Spirit after we are saved, how can regeneration occurs before we are saved? Yet, God draws us to Christ.
If we can't come to Christ on our own, then we need a regenerated heart to do it.
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Permalink Reply by dean burrows on
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Whaaaaat:):)
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reread what I said and boy my spelling stinks.
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Amen. !!!!!
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Permalink Reply by David Velasquez on
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Panita, Check this article:
Beloved the effectual call is the inner call, but there is also the outer call or the general call if you will.
Effectual Call
by
Rev. Roger Smalling, D.Min
...the eyes of your understanding being enlightened;
that you may know what is the hope of His calling,
Eph. 1:18Without Christ, fallen man persists in his delusion of autonomy, dancing on Satan's string like a puppet, powerless to will or do anything to promote his own salvation. He is dead in sin, likes it that way and resents efforts to change him. His delusion runs so deep, he may even imagine God is pleased with him.
Yet God extends a universal offer of mercy to all mankind through His commands to repent. The assumption behind this command is that God will accept the repentant sinner. Christ ordained the gospel to be preached to all nations without regard to race, social status or economic condition. His gracious invitation still stands: "Matt. 11:28 "Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."
A study of saving faith however, shows it to be a product of divine grace, not the product of man's free will. Clearly an internal miracle must occur in a sinner for conversion to take place. This essay discusses the content of that miracle, how it works and on whom.
Let's look at Romans 8:30:
Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.As we notice the word 'called,' certain truths stand out:
1. The 'call' is based on predestination. It is different from the general call to mankind to repent since it is for the few, not the many.
2. This 'call' invariable results in justification, which in turn gets us to heaven, ("glorified.")
3. This call is irresistible and efficacious. Otherwise, only some of those justified would be glorified.
4. Faith is included in this call because faith is necessary for justification.
5. This call must be involved with an internal transformation of the sinner, making faith possible.
6. God alone is the cause. "...He predestinated...He called...He justified...He glorified."7. This call must be a special grace from God different from His general benevolence toward mankind as a whole.
We can define this call as a sovereign act of God by which He saves the elect.
Theologians call this doctrine by various names: Irresistible Grace, Special Grace or most often, Effectual Call. For brevity's sake, we will use the term ' the call' throughout this lesson, especially since this is the word most commonly used in the New Testament to describe the idea.
Sometimes a different word is used, however. The Apostle John used the word "draw" to express the same concept in John 6:44&65:John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 65 And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."
From these verses we deduce:
1. No one can generate saving faith out of his autonomous will. (Coming to Christ means faith in Him.)
2. The Father produces saving faith by an act called 'drawing.' This drawing is called a 'gift' in V.65. It is therefore not a reward for something man accomplishes.
3. The infallible result of this drawing is salvation. This is clear from the phrase '...raise him up at the last day.'
4. No one can successfully resist this drawing because all those so drawn will be saved.This 'drawing' is therefore a sovereign work of God, resulting in an infallible salvation.
Does this mean God forces people against their will? No.
The Holy Spirit changes the internal nature of a sinner by enlightening the mind, revealing sin as so ugly and Christ as so desirable that nothing could prevent that person from coming to Christ freely and willingly. This is in no way imposes on man's will or violates his freedom.A Key Distinction: Universal Call vs Effectual Call
Christ commanded the gospel to be preached to all nations. (Mt. 28:19) The Apostles preached to Jews and Gentiles alike. Paul went around, "testifying to Jews, and also to Greeks, repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ." It is clear from the New Testament, it is the gospel is for everybody. How do we square this with texts about a work of God for some only?
Many assume the difference is because some choose to believe while others do not. Since saving faith itself is a work of grace, this assumption would involve circular reasoning.
Theologians call God's universal offer of mercy to all, the Universal Call because everyone in a crowd hears the same gospel message. The offer of mercy to the repentant is valid for all and they are responsible for the way they respond to it.
With some, however, God penetrates the message deeper than the ears and uses it to save them. So we have two 'calls' in one message: A call to all, and a call to some. Theologians distinguish these two operations by calling them either Universal Call vs Effectual Call, General Grace vs Special Grace or, External Call vs Internal Call.
The Call Is Associated With Election And Predestination
A study of the term 'call' throughout the New Testament reveals a close association between election and predestination. Another verse on this point is:"...that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls." Romans 9:11
Paul, in speaking about Jacob and Esau, shows the irresistibility of this call by linking it with his purposes in election. "...that the purpose of God...'
The term 'purpose' in Scripture, when refering to God's plans in history, usually indicates an irresistible and unchangeable decree. This is different from his commands to people which He allows to be ignored. In the verse above, we see how God's call in election is according to one of these sovereign and irrestistible purpose which with 'stand.'
The connection between the call and election in this verse also illustrates the interplay between God's decrees and means by which He impliments them. God is sovereign, but works through things and people to accomplish His purposes. This verses illustrates again God's purpose in eternity was to save His elect. He brought this to pass by a divine action the Bible labels, 'call.'
Curiously, the reverse is true of the Universal Call, even though it is the same message. He allows the non-elect to resist His offer of mercy if they want to. They always want to.
Paul connects God's eternal purposes with grace and the call in 2Tim.1:9:
"who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,"
One of the clearest passages on the relationship between election and effectual call is 1Cor.1:22-29. (The text is too long to quote here, so the reader should follow along in the Bible.)
This text mentions three classes of people: Jews, gentiles and a third group, Jews and Greeks together, labeled 'those who are called.'
The first group, the Jews, reject Christ because they want to see the gospel proven by miracles. God's Word is not enough for them. The second group, the Greeks, reject Christ because He does not fit into their philosophical systems. God's wisdom is not good enough for them. "For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom." V.22
The third group is individuals taken out of the first two groups despite their initial rejection. These are those whom God has 'called' because He chose them.1Cor. 1:26 "For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise,"
Paul preached to both groups. Each responded according to their cultural bias and sinful perceptions. This is the "universal" call. The ones who responded did so because they were chosen for that. God ignored their bias and perceptions, drawing them anyway. This is the "effectual call."
The Call Is Irrevocable
Rom. 11:28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
Paul's use of the term 'irrevocable' in V.29 also puts effectual call squarely in the category of immutable purposes. This call therefore depends on God's sovereign will and not on man's ability to respond.
Eternal Life Is For The Called Only
Heb. 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Acts 2:39 "For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
(Other texts are: ITim.6:12; 2Th.2:13-14; Rev.19:9)
The Effectual Call Guarantees Our Sanctification And Preservation1Th. 5:23 ¶ Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it. (See also Jude 1:1; 1Cor. 1:8 9)
Effectual Call Is Also A Call To Holiness
1Pet. 1:15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct,
Summary
Irresistible Grace, called by theologians the Effectual Call, is a sovereign work of God. He draws the elect to Himself by the Word and the Spirit, changes them internally, enables them to perceive their need of Christ and grants them the ability to trust in Christ to be saved. God does not violates their will or freedom, but works in such a way that they come willingly and freely.
From this essay we learned:
1. God uses the same gospel message in both the Universal Call and the Effectual Call. The first is a genuine offer of mercy to all mankind, the second a special work of grace.
2. The Effectual Call is based on election and predestination.
3. The call is irrevocable. This means it is in the category of God's eternal will of purposes which cannot be thwarted by the will of man.
4. Our ultimate sanctification and preservation are based on the call.
5. This call is also a call to holiness.
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My brother,
What the article is saying and what you were saying is one and the same.
Every Christian that is a born again Christian has been chosen, predestined, elected, justified, sealed with the Holy Spirit, santified, and on their way to being glorified. Hallelujah
Thank you Jesus, glory!!!!
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Permalink Reply by Leonard T on
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To all in this discussion,
Food for thought:
I love discussions and discussing God's Word. With that said I think that at times we get too caught up in studying the mechanics and miss the mecahnic (Jesus). The method does not save us, Jesus does. We do not trust or hope in the method, but in the Lord. If we step back from this and recognize only what we as humans can perceive we would be left viewing the salvation of a person the exact same way whether we believe in the Arminian, Calvinist or a blend of freewill and predestination. What we see is that the message goes out, the person responds and are born-again, and yes some reject the message and walk away. How all the pieces came together are not as relevant as the fact that Jesus just saved that person.Keep in mind that if the Bible was crystal clear on this subject we would not have various camps. Some would argue that the Bible is not in confusion, only man. This is absolutely true, but sometimes man is in confusion because he tries to define things that are not fully revealed to us in His Word. The point of the Bible is to reveal Jesus, not all His methods and in fact we see from His time on earth that Jesus used many methods to get the same outcome in certain situations (i.e. healing people).
I wonder how many times God shakes His head and says something to the effect, "There they go again discussing the mechanics of things instead of discussing me." I can say I have done this more times than I would like to remember and will surely do it again :-)
My two cents.
Lord Bless,
LT
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LT
Good word my brother. Great reminder.
Love to you my friend.
One beautiful truth that comes out of discussing the mechanics of the Mechanic hahaha is how we can learn to do that in love, understanding that we are one in Christ.
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Thankyou LT great message
May we always keep our hearts on The Lord.
Oh David enjoyed conversation learning in Love is awesome
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Dean,
Yes, may we always keep our hearts on the Lord.
Lord Bless,
LT
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The simplest way to answer I can think of is the Father judges by the heart. Yes Jesus makes it clear we most believe in Him but from their it is the heart condition. We have to remember there is 38,000 denominations in the world today ( that number includes sub-denominations). For each of those I believe the judgement is based on the heart condition that has each individual following a particular teaching.
Hope this helps a little.
May the Lord Bless you
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