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Since God is not a God of confusion....
why am I still confused on some things? Am I to believe that if there is confusion in it then God is not....in it? For example: say I am struggling with something....searching for an answer to something and I have read scripture upon scripture that leads me to believe one way yet there is still a nagging in me pulling me another way. Who is doing the pulling? And why when I pray for discernment and direction.....I pray if the nagging is satan for him to leave me be....why is the nagging still there? In short short, how do I know who is saying what?
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Permalink Reply by Brooke on
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I do not have the answer for you Bev. But a suggestion. Maybe it isnt time for God to reveal this to you yet. Maybe your mind is confusing you, and of course when that happenes Satan will hop on that train too. I struggle with this myself. We fight with our minds, the enemy, and many spirits that are not of God. God isnt a God of confusion, but a God of divine timing on everything he reveals to us. This is an interesting topic, and I hope that someone can answer this for the both of us.
In Christ, Brooke
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Satan has got to be the dumbest angel, demon ever, to think he was going to top his creator! Everytime he bothers me, I make Satan a promise that one day he will wish he never messed with me. That is how I get over my frustration with Satan! lol
It talks about in the bible testing the spirits. Maybe we simply need to do that or in a different way?
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Permalink Reply by littlesheep88 on
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This is a very interesting topic and one that I can relate too. I've asked myself these questions aswell. "Well, if this means this, then what does this mean?" or " If this scripture says this, then what does this other scripture mean?" I've definitely been there. I've been reading the Bible and I am now in Romans. It's funny, the chapter that I just read about seems to have something to do with this issue. Read Romans Chapter 8. My paster has also been teaching on this subject for two weeks straight and it is a very important concept in the Bible. It talks about the spirit and the cardinal mind and how the devil wants your mind to control you as a whole. If the devil can get your mind off of the things of God (spiritually) and onto the things of this world (cardinal), or dangle you in between, He can twist scriptures up in your mind to make you believe that its something it's not. The devil wants your mind over anything else, because if he has that everything else will follow. Rebuke the spirit of confusion and always ask God for wisdom and understanding. As I do this myself. I start to understand the scriptures in a different way. Ask the Holy Spirit for guidance and understanding as you read the Bible. **** Sorry so long!! lol
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We must walk in the spirit about 90 percent of the time. That is where true understanding, and knowledge from God comes from. We have two men inside of us. One spirit, one flesh. We must stay in the spirit most of the time. Remember: we are not of the world, just in it. Giving into our flesh is okay here and there. But walking in the flesh can make things more difficult. Staying in the spirit isn't easy. We let the problems of our friends and our families and the world's get the best of us. When we walk in the spirit, we have God's strength to overcome any obsticle. If David hadnt walked in the spirit, his mind would have told him that he couldnt take down Golieth.
My husband and I just realized lastnight that we were not walking in the spirit. Its like a light bulb just went off in our heads..... It is difficult. But we were created to be in the Lords prescence.
About the demons that wont go away. You can never be sure. I went through things that Satan did to me, and I showed him that that sceme wouldnt work anymore. He finally tried another door. Its like we have all of these doors, and Satan tries to see which one he can get into and which ones are locked and bolted closed. When I first started walking with God all of my doors were wide open. I would want to give up, and my husband ( friend at the time) would encourage me and say that I could overcome these things and make the enemy mad. ( sounds good to me:) ) It could be that you have a door open, it could be that your door is closed and he is just aggravating you and trying to weaken you to opening again. There are many different reasons. But just stay in the spirit and you can overcome anything. Hope this helps.
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Continue to speak over the spirit of confusion and ask God to give you peace of mind. If anything you ever need, prayer and speaking it out of your mouth is always a helpful and powerful tool. Remember, God SPOKE the world into existence. Many people underestimate the power of the tongue. Its also states in the Bible, the power of life and death are in the tongue. What you actually speak out of your mouth and continually speaking it is a powerful weapon. And always use the name of Jesus whenever you pray if you do not. Speak for instance " I rebuke the spirit of confusion over my life. I take authority over the devil and his works will be of no use in my life and my mind. The blood of Jesus is my divine protection and No weapon formed against me shall prosper in Jesus Name."
Ask your pastor and fellow christians for prayer in this matter too. I will pray for you!
*Be Happy* =^]
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Permalink Reply by Leonard T on
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I encourage you to read the blogs "Raised with Christ" followed by a three part series entitles "The War Within." You can access these through my page or the blogs. I trust they will help.
If you have any questions regarding what is written there, let me know (If you read it :-).
Lord Bless,
LT
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Permalink Reply by Ron Payne on
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Hi Bev,
About the nagging.......? Welcome to the club. Let me assure you that you are not the only one here on AAG. In 50 years I have come to realise that this is a excellent sign for us to confirm that we really are Christians
It is only a sane person who can believe he is going insane. An insane person never gives his sanity a thought.
The same with Christians being brought to a point of dispair and concern about their Christian experience.
ONLY CHRISTIANS can have this experience and concern. Non Christians couldn't care less. I trust that this will end your worries on that point?
In regard to searching for an answer, where one side of you is pulling in one direction and the other side to another......... If the Bible is giving good advice, then accept it. I have walked this road as well, even pleaded with God to put a stop to it. Put an end to all the pulling this way and that.... Or even the doubts: "Should I shouldn't I" ......... I have come to the point, where I knew that there was no problem in being obedient when it suited me. But one big lost battle when I was not really committed to obeying the truth. I went and did a Frank Sinatra anyway and "DID IT MY WAY. IT seems that even while searching for an answer I already knew I would not obey.
Blame the devil.......? Not likely.... Rather blame the deep embedded preference that we all have towards sin. For me, the days of "THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT!" ARE OVER. The moment I realised that the devil was responsible for his own sins and I for mine. It became easy to be obedient. You see... I had no one else to blame, so all fingers pointed to me. I was and would be held responsible for all my unrepentant sin, no one else. This has made my life less complicated.
The Lord Bless you and draw you closer to Himself..
Ron
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Hi Bev,
I am afraid that what you are going through is the aftermath of sin and placing yourself under the law again.
Allow me to shift a bit and speak of a problem many people have.
They speak of the devil as though he is a personal threat. This is not true.
I do no believe the devil even knows of your existence or mine.
The reason why I say this, is: He is not omnipresent, omnipotent or omniscient.
He can only be in one place at one time. Therefore I guess the people he is going to spend regular time with are the decision makers of the world. Namely, people who have the power to change world events. But definitely not you or I.
I mention the above in order to give you a proper perspective of what goes on in the Spiritual underworld.
Now demons are spiritual beings that were also caste out of Heaven when they revolted with satan. These are the ones who bother us, by reminding us of ALL our sins and encourage us to continue in sin. They are the best preachers of God’s law after you have sinned.
Because you are continually reminded about sins committed in the past, leads me to believe that we have a group of them who remain with us. I say this because they too are not omniscient or omnipresent. Therefore unless they were there when we sinned, how else would they know? Also the fact that these past sins are raised up continually years after the sin was committed, adds to my belief that these demons remain with us.
Depending how often and with what ease we take the bait, when we are tempted, will encourage more demons to "Come with and enjoy the ride". Therefore many people have more demons working in them than in other folk.
Remember the man who was filled with demons? He said his name was legend, because many demons had taken hold of him.
Fortunately Bev, when the devil's power is broken in any soul….. that soul recovers itself, and starts again in the right frame of mind. Once this happens we should be like “The man out of whom the devils were departed and sit at the feet of Jesus, Luk_8:35
I am sorry if I digressed, but felt it necessary for us to get a better understanding of our enemies.
We understand then that the more we allow them to take control of our lives, the easier it becomes to find oneself pestered day and night by a horde of them.
WHERE THEN DOES THE PROBLEM LIE? HOW DO WE ESCAPE?
The Bible gives us the answer: "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed."James 1:14 It is demons who do this, daily.
My personal remedy is to once again consider and continually see myself as follows:
“I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless, I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.” Gal 2:20.
What is happening in your life and mine Bev, is that All the laws of God condemns us, therefore the enemy would keep turning our minds to the law and continually accuse us.
BUT WE KNOW that we ARE DEAD to the law, having been crucified with Him.
The law condemns you and I and it is that which these demons keep raising. But again Paul says: “For I through the law am dead to the law, that I may live to God.
Gal 2:19
“The Message” translation of Galatians 2:19-21 I believe, makes it very clear:
“What actually took place is this: I tried keeping rules and working my head off to please God, and it didn't work. So I quit being a "law man" so that I could be God's man.
Christ's life showed me how, and enabled me to do it. I identified myself completely with him. Indeed, I have been crucified with Christ. My ego is no longer central. It is no longer important that I appear righteous before you or have your good opinion, and I am no longer driven to impress God. Christ lives in me. The life you see me living is not "mine," but it is lived by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
I am not going to go back on that. Is it not clear to you that to go back to that old rule-keeping, peer-pleasing religion would be an abandonment of everything personal and free in my relationship with God? I refuse to do that, to repudiate God's grace. If a living relationship with God could come by rule-keeping, then Christ died unnecessarily. Gal 2:19-21
Always keep the above in mind Bev, You are dead to the law and alive to Christ.
Keeping in mind what “The Message” says: “If a living relationship with God could come by rule-keeping, then Christ died unnecessarily.“ and this may well be your argument with those who would be your pests. This is why we repent and then put it behind us, reaching for the mark and high standing found in Christ.
How much better to create a living relationship with Christ rather than live under the yoke of demons?
Ron
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OK Bev,
Firstly and VERY important. The Law still remains The Law must be obeyed. IT IS WHEN WE LOOK TO THE LAW TO JUSTIFY OURSELVES THAT IS WRONG. LOOK AT ME LORD, I DON'T DO THIS OR THAT. THE LAW IS SIMILAR TO A MIRROR TO POINT OUT OUR SIN. NO ONE CAN KEEP THE WHOLE LAW.
THEREFORE BY TRYING TO KEEP THE LAW WE WILL NEVER BE SAVED.
THIS IS WHY WE HAVE TO DIE TO THE LAW THAT CANNOT SAVE US.
But demons will not let you forget that you are at times a Law Breaker. (Sadly, Who isn't)
The last thing they want is a "Joyful, heavenly minded Christian" So they hammer you with all that you have done in the past. Hoping to break you down in order to make you sin again.
Now here comes the rub...... As long as you allow them to raise your concern about the way you have walked (Sinned) they will continually remind you of the consequences that you as a Child of God...... a so called Christian doing all these terrible things, Surely you can't be a Christian they will say, surely you are imagining that God loves you and wants to save you when you are such a sinful and filthy person? This is the way it is Bev, when we allow them to continually accuse us this way.
All of their words are lies Bev.... WHY? BECAUSE YOU ARE ALREADY SPIRTUALLY DEAD IN CHRIST. Now listen carefully Bev, your happiness as a christian, free from the accusations of the enemy depends on you grasping this important point.
WHEN JESUS WENT TO THE CROSS HE TOOK YOU AND ME WITH HIM.
YOU AND I AND ALL CHRISTIANS DIED THERE WITH HIM.......
Read Paul again:
Gal 2:20. "I am crucified with Christ, never the less I live yet not I but Christ lives in me." Gal 2:20.
Rom 6:4 "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."
So what have we learnt? Let's check.....
As Christ was crucified, we were crucified with him. Then just as Christ was buried and rose again so we too went through a burial in our baptism and also rose from that grave to a new life. PRAISE GOD! THIS, IS HOW GOD SEE'S YOU BEV.
When ever you feel the darts of the enemy starting to accuse you of your past life.
STOP LISTENING, STOP THINKING AND STOP JOINING IN WITH THEIR ACCUSATIONS. RATHER REMIND THEM (and yourself) THAT YOU ARE DEAD AND ALIVE IN CHRIST AND HAVING REPENTED OF YOUR SINS THAT HAVE BEEN PAID FOR IN FULL... IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO PUNISH HIS SON A SECOND TIME FOR THE SAME SINS.
In my life Bev they have not stopped reminding me of my past. But over the years, because I refuse to play around with their accusations, their voices become fainter with each passing year.
I find myself sitting next to "Legion" (The man with many demons) and together we rather listen to the words of Christ and cherish our relationship with Him.
Future sin must be dealt with in the same way Bev. Repent asking God for forgiveness and to renew your relationship. God will always do it.
Thereafter any attacks which will surely come can be dealt with in the same way.
Christ has already paid for it and can no longer be judged and paid for a second time, you have died with Christ to all sin
Trust this helps and remember at all times : GOD LOVES YOU SO MUCH THAT HE ARRANGED IT ALL SPECIFICALLY FOR YOU.
Blessings.
Your friend in Christ ~ Ron
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Permalink Reply by STELLA on
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Dear Bev always knw that God is giving us massage in a very humble way.he has no reason to pull you or any one one.he has the power to be obeyed by the devil,the one doing the pulling is no one else but satan, the Devil him self want to confuse you, just pray so that holly spirit will help you to understand the situation.
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Permalink Reply by Soldier_Of_Christ on
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Your heart usually (as I may see it) the very link we have with God. Sometimes we know what lies within the heart (for what is good) but we battle with that troublesome mind that can be tricked sometimes. Faith is like a muscle that needs to be worked out, just as possibly spiritual gifts may work the same way. With ability takes practice, and from my understanding, Faith is something you can never really truly say "I have learned Faith and have it forever" because it is deemed as "perfect". Therefore the only way to ever becoming truly close to obtaining anything that is "perfect" is to practice it.
I remember reading something on here (not upon the same subject, but might help) that talked about "Progressive Revelation". This has stuck with me, because it made me think about how there are things such as objects, lessons, and such that await to be discovered. The same happens within our faith, there are new things to learn and obtain. Breaking out of that habit of being in control of your life, and submitting so that God can control your life is like a test of faith. Perhaps you are struggling with just that? I am only suggesting. All I can do is hope the Holy Spirit can allow me to help you and that is all I can hope for.
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Permalink Reply by Shan So Blessed on
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I struggle w/this to.
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