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Why living in legalism is bondage . Okay let's start with the view of legalism. Basically means of keeping all the Jewish regulations such as keeping all the 10 commandments and other things. WHen I was a little girl and my younger adult years as well that's the way I use to act making sure I did not break one, well least in my point of view. I was like the rich young ruler. As the word of God says in Matthew 19:17-20- “When you call me good you are calling me God,” Jesus replied, “for God alone is truly good.[a] But to answer your question, you can get to heaven if you keep the commandments.”
“Which ones?” the man asked.
And Jesus replied, “Don’t kill, don’t commit adultery, don’t steal, don’t lie, honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself!”
“I’ve always obeyed every one of them,” the youth replied. “ Because legalism will pretty much having you depending on your strength and working out your own salvation. Which is very hard to live righteous and also puts you under the curse of the law. AS the word of God says in Galatians 3:10- But [L For] those who depend on ·following [L the works of] the law to make them right are under a curse, because the Scriptures say, “·Anyone [All; Everyone] will be cursed who does not ·always obey what [keep doing everything that] is written in the Book of the Law .It will have you looking to your self instead of Jesus who has already died for our sins and given us his righteousness. As the word of God says in 1 Peter 2:24- Christ carried our sins in his body on the cross so that freed from our sins, we could live a life that has God’s approval. His wounds have healed you. So back to legalism it teaches you to not lean up on the power of Jesus but our own feeble strength. It also calls us to fall from the grace of God. As the word of God says in Galatians 5:4- Those of you who try to earn God’s approval by obeying his laws have been cut off from Christ. You have fallen out of God’s favor. Plus it has you going back to the same sins, that Jesus Christ has always destroy. As the word of God say in Galatians 2: 18- But if I build up again the very things that I once tore down, then I demonstrate that I am a transgressor. Not only that but it still arouses sinful passions to inside of us. As the word of God says in Romans 7:5- While we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. Look at the verse it says we are bearing fruit to death. Legalism will literally have you just religious conscious but not faith conscious. It has you boasting instead of boasting in what Jesus Christ has done. As the word of God says in 1 Corinthians 1:31- in order that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.” Legalism is not freedom indeed. it nothing but self righteousness and filthy rags, and forever like a crooked arrow that misses the mark. As the word of God says in Isaiah 64:6- For we are all become as one that is unclean, and all our righteousnesses are as a polluted garment: and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. So how can we put our trust in that system when Jesus has already done away with the old one. It's all about the new covenant. As the word of God says in Hebrews 8:13 -The mere fact that God speaks of a new covenant or agreement makes the old one out of date. And when a thing grows weak and out of date it is obviously soon going to be dispensed with altogether.So don't live by your strength any more, don't try to keep al the 10 commandments in your strength any longer. Instead depend on the power of the Holy Spirit. As the word of God says in John 15:4-
·Remain [Abide] in me, and I will ·remain [abide] in you. A branch cannot produce fruit ·alone [by itself] but must ·remain [abide] in the vine. In the same way, you cannot produce fruit alone but must ·remain [abide] in me. So I hope you can understand that it is really about Jesus and not of ourselves. After all that is the secret to keep us from boasting.
If you want a relationship with Jesus and freedom from the law. Say this prayer in your heart. Lord Jesus I am guilty as the blood on my garments. But your blood speaks my forgiveness and me being brought back to God. I want to serve you from with the Spirit and not with the old law. So I come to you Jesus and believe that I am healed by your wounds. In Jesus Name . Amen
Praise God you are new creation. Get you a new king james version bible. Go to a Good fearing church and that preaches the true doctrine of Jesus Christ.Read the word of God daily, pray daily with through the word of God. Hang with the body of CHrist.and fellowship with the body of CHrist. God bless you on your journey in Jesus Name.
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Comment by thewatchman on August 9, 2014 at 9:56pm
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I also would be more interested in the Poster's, Tawny's reply, to this discussion. Since after all she was the one who posted it and obviously believes it. I will await for her reply.
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You never answered the question. Do you believe that the 10 Commandments have been abolished?
And if you do not believe in the commands of God, will you still be saved?
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Again I ask, do you believe that the 10 commandments have been abolished?
If you aren't obedient to God, nor the commands, will you be saved according to the Bible?
A gift has been given...nothing makes it less than a gift.
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So do you, too, believe that the 10 commandments have been abolished?
Our obedience begins at faith....repentance, new life, etc. So if I believe what you are telling me, that obedience doesn't matter one iota, that I will still be saved if I continue in sin.
This is a deadly statement, you cannot continue in sin and still be saved. No where in Scripture is this ever said, if so, please post that Scripture.
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The New Covenant is in effect now for all who come under it through receiving Christ. We aren't under the penalty of the law. Therfore no sin will cause the loss of salvation for anyone who is trusting in Christ for salvation.
No sin? You aren't responsible for any sin you commit because you believe in Christ Jesus? Isn't this what James was talking about when he stated that even the demons believe in God?....And they tremble....
You are responsible, you have decisions and choices that you make that illuminate whom you serve.
This isn't a forced service.
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The instructions that Jesus was giving in Matthew 23 were addressed to those who were under the Old Covenant. The New Covenant is in effect now for all who come under it through receiving Christ. We aren't under the penalty of the law. Therfore no sin will cause the loss of salvation for anyone who is trusting in Christ for salvation.
God's word has far more to say about this....
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 7:24-27 "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: {25} "and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. {26} "But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: {27} "and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall." Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. Matthew 28:19-20 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, {20} "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen. Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Luke 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. John 8:31-32 "If you abide in my word, you are my disciples indeed. (32) "And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" John 8:51 "Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death." John 10:27-28 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. {28} "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:3-5 "To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. {4} "And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. {5} "Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers." John 12:25-26 "He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. {26} "If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor. John 14:15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:20-21 "At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. {21} "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him." John 14:23-24 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. {24} "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me. John 15 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. {2} "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. {3} "You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. {4} "Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. {5} "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. {6} "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. {7} "If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. {8} "By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. {9} "As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. {10} "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. {11} "These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. {12} "This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. {13} "Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends. {14} "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. {15} "No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you. {16} "You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you. {17} "These things I command you, that you love one another. {18} "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. {19} "If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. {20} "Remember the word that I said to you, 'A servant is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also. {21} "But all these things they will do to you for My name's sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me. {22} "If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. {23} "He who hates Me hates My Father also. {24} "If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have seen and also hated both Me and My Father. {25} "But this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, 'They hated Me without a cause.' {26} "But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. {27} "And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning. Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. James 1:22-27 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. {23} For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; {24} for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. {25} But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does. {26} If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless. {27} Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. James 2:14-26 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? {15} If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, {16} and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? {17} Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. {18} But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. {19} You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe; and tremble! {20} But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? {21} Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? {22} Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? {23} And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God. {24} You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. {25} Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? {26} For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. 1 John 1:5-10 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. {6} If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. {7} But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. {8} If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. {9} If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. {10} If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. 1 John 2:3-6 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. {4} He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. {5} But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. {6} He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. 1 John 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 3:22-23 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. {23} And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. {24} And he who keeps his commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. {3} For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. 2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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Also, Tawny said that the 10 Commandments have been abolished. I need Sriptural references for that please.
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Those who have placed their faith in Jesus and receive Him as Savior and Lord.....There are those out there who just receive Him as Savior, wouldn't you agree? And not as Lord? I would be interested to hear what you consider legalism?
I see the term "legalism" get thrown about a lot and it is quite usually when someone is fundamental about their belief in the Bible. Is legalism adhering to God's commands? I'm just curious, because that is the way it's coming across to me, time after time. I always was under the understanding that legalism was the mosaic law, those strapped on the side of the Ark of the Covenant, those manmade laws, such as sacrificing, circumcision, washing your hands 7 times...the Pharisee's were known for this, but never once were they or anyone admonished by Jesus for following the 10 Commandments.
Take a look at Matthew 23
1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5“Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteriesa wide and the tassels on their garments long;6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.
8“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
Seven Woes on the Teachers of the Law and the Pharisees
13“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [14]b
15“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.
16“Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’ 17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.
23“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
25“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
29“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.32Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!
33“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.
37“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’c ”
Jesus said to listen to them when they sat in Moses seat, but not to imitate them in other ways.
Let me ask you this Amanda, because you seem to adhere to this belief, but do you believe that if you continue in sin, while believing in the finished work 0f Christ, that you are saved?
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Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
Perhaps I have misunderstood your article about legalism, but I wish to defer you to read this entire passage. Jesus never once admonished the Pharisee's or those following the 10 Commandments. His 10 Commandments have not been abolished.
Let me give an analogy please. You look into the mirror and realize you have dirt on your face...Do you then take the mirror to wash your face? No, of course not, it is the mirror that makes you realize the dirt, but only soap and water will remove that dirt. How do you know you are not in the will of God if you don't recognize the "dirt".
There is definately liberty and freedom in Christ, but that does not come from sin, it comes from love and obedience to His Word. Jesus never ever once stated that His commands were burdensome or grievous or annulled.
Obeying Christ Jesus is NEVER legalism...many will say that obedience is not neccessary, I would not like to test God at His own word. There is nothing legalistic about doing the will of God, absolutely nothing.
People say that some try to earn their way to salvation, I do believe that they are correct....i.e. doing things that are good, which somehow makes them worthy of salvation. Nothing makes us worthy of salvation except Jesus Christ and that is where the fault line is so to speak.
I didn't know if you wrote this yourself or it was from somewhere else....either way, I'd like to talk further with you. Some things were right and some things were very wrong, I just don't want to see anyone drinking from the fountain that is tainted.
Nothing has changed regarding the 10 commandments and if anyone has told you so, they are not being truthful with you.
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Why living in legalism is bondage . Okay let's start with the view of legalism. Basically means of keeping all the Jewish regulations such as keeping all the 10 commandments and other things.
Do you believe that the 10 Commandments are abolished?
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