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ROMANS 1:18-32
Unbelief and Its Consequences
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
NOW I NEED SOMEONE TO HELP ME HERE IF VERSE 26 IS TRUE WHY ARE WE SO AGAINST SAME SEX MARRIAGE UNLESS IT A BROTHER OR SISTER IN THE BODY OF CHRIST ,FOR AS I READ THIS, THOSE WHO ARE DOING IT ARE DOING IT BECAUSE OF THEIR UNBEIF IN GOD AND HE GAVE THEM OVER TO THIS DEGRADING PASSIONS ,AND FOOD FOR THOUGHTS IF WE BE AGAINST THEM ,ARE WE FIGHTING AGAINST GOD ,SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT ,BEING THIS IS WHAT JESUS SAY IN JOHN 6:43-51
43“Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. 45It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’d Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me. 46No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life. 48I am the bread of life. 49Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. 50But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
SO HAVE satan TRICKED US ALSO TO BE AS THE JEWS WAS IN JESUS DAYS DOWN HERE PLEASE CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS FROM A ETERNAL PERSPECTIVE WHICH I'M TRYING TO LIVE OR AM I TAKING THIS OUT OF CONTEXT ,PLEASE RESPONSE BECAUSE OUR BELOVED BROTHER PAUL WROTE IN 1 CORINTHIANS 5:9-13
9I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. SO AGAIN AM I LOOKING AT IT THE WRONG WAY,BECAUSE TO ME IF IT IS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO THEY GOT TO STAND BEFORE GOD FOR IT
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Permalink Reply by Lena J on
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Hello Bro Alcedes, in answer to your question "why are we so against same sex marriage... considering verse 26"...I quote the commentary from NIV: " God's plan for natural sexual relationships is His ideal for His creation. Unfortunately, sin distorts the natural use of God's gifts. Sin often means not only denying God, but also denying the way we are made. When people say that any sex act is acceptable as long as nobody gets hurt, they are fooling themselves. In the long run (and often in the short run), sin hurts people--individuals, families, whole societies. How sad it is that people who worship the things God made instead of the Creator so often distort and destroy the very things they claim to value!
Homosexuality (to exchange or abandon natural relations of sex) was as widespread in Paul's day as it is in ours. Many pagan practices encouraged it. God is willing to receive anyone who comes to Him in faith, and Christians should love and accept others no matter what their background. Yet, homosexuality is strictly forbidden in Scripture (Leviticus 18:22 "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman, that is detestable"). Homosexuality is considered an acceptable practice by many in our world today--even by some churches. But society does not set the standard for God;s law. Many homosexuals believe that their desires are normal and that they have a right to express them. But God does not obligate or encourage us to fulfill all our desires (even normal ones). Those desires that violate His laws must be controlled.
If you have these desires, you can and must resit acting upon them. Consciously avoid places or activities you know will kindle temptations of this kind. don't underestimate the power of Satan to tempt you, nor the potential for serious harm if you yield to these temptations. Remember, God can and will forgive sexual sins just as He forgives other sins. Surrender yourself to the grace and mercy of God, asking Him to show you the way out of sin and into the light of His freedom and His love. Prayer, Bible study, and strong support in a Christian church can help you to gain strength to resist these powerful temptations. If you are already deeply involved in homosexual behavior, seek help from a trustworthy, professional, pastor counselor." End of quote.
Thing is, Alcede, who do we believe Satan [who wants to destroy God's institution of marriage - one man to one woman] or God [who instituted marriage for procreation]? We ought to fear God and keep His commandments, right? [Ecclesiastes 12:13 and 14 -"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil]. We should not mess with our salvation!
Hope this helps!
Lena J
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Permalink Reply by ALCEDES JONES on
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Thank you for your response, first let me make clear that it is not me who have these desires for I love the commandment of our Heavenly Father and try with all that is in me to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit that dwell in me ,but in reading verse 26 it just hit me that if GOD gave them over to that passion because they refuse to believe in Him why do we (the body of Christ) make such a big deal over it if they are not trying to live for Christ sorry if I LEAD you in and direction ,to me it remind me of JESUS parable of the WHEAT AND THE TARES ,my feeling is for us (THE BODY OF CHRIST) is to PRAY for them and LIVE OUR LIFE AROUND THEM SHOWING THE LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST AND JUST MAYBE IF THEY ARE GOD ELECT GOD WILL CHANGE THEIR HEART AND FORGIVE THEM AND BRING THEM IN HIS FOLD WITH US ,JUST MY FEELINGS ,SO THANK AGAIN FOR THE RESPONSE
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Dear Bro Alcedes...Oh, I'm soooooo sorry; no I wasn't implying that at all...I only quoted what the NIC commentary said. If you would like to delete what I wrote, please do so.
I'm also very concerned about this issue because Satan is behind this; he intends to destroy God's institution of marriage. How better to do it than to confuse the minds of those weak enough to listen to him. Did you know the Anglican Church is split over this issue? That breaks my heart because Satan has been able to confuse even the elect, like he did to Eve in the Garden of Eden. While we must love them and pray for them to repent, we must not condone this behaviour. Jesus and the Cross are the answer, the cure.
Again, I aplogize. After reading this, please feel free to delete.
Abundant Blessings.
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NO IT IS ALL GOOD ,WE HAD THE DISCUSSION IN MY HOUSE AND MY DAUGHTER WARNED ME OF THE OPENNESS OF THE DISCUSSION BUT WE MISSED THINKING THAT IT WOULD GO IN THAT THE DIRECTION EVENING THO YOU WAS NOT IMPLYING IT IS SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND FOR MY FUTURE DISCUSSION ,NO OFFENSE TAKING AND I WILL NOT DELETE IT EITHER SO OTHER CAN SEE AND RESPONSE AND NO I DID NOT KNOW THAT ,AND YOU ARE SO RIGHT ON HOW satan ARE BLINDING SO MANY OF OUR SISTERS AND BROTHERS ,THAT IS WHY THOSE WHO ARE STRONG NEED TO PRAY MORE AND MORE EACH DAY ,IF OUR HEAVENLY FATHER WAS NOT SO LONG SUFFERING ,WOW WHERE WOULD SO MANY OF US BE, FOR I KNOW FOR A FACT WHEN I LOOK BACK OVER WHERE HE HAS BROUGHT ME FROM I CAN'T HELP BUT GIVE HIM ALL THE GLORY AND PRAISES THAT I GIVE HIM AND STILL FEEL IT IS NOT ENOUGH SOMETIME LOVE YOU MY BELOVED SISTER IN CHRIST JESUS.
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