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If you could not give up your salvation voluntarily, then once you become saved you could then go ahead and do whatever you wish. You could steal, murder, cheat, lie, never pray, reject the scriptures, lead others astray, blaspheme God from morning to night - do anything that is sinful, rebellious, and against the laws of God. And you could do all this never confessing and never repenting. To believe that "once saved, always saved" is believing that one has a "license to sin" after the person is born again."

 


LOSING YOUR SALVATION  -http://robertwells.tripod.com/losingsalvation.html

 

YOU CAN'T LOSE YOUR SALVATION OR HAVE IT TAKEN AWAY BUT.......

When you were saved you turned to God. Turning to God means the you have committed your life to trusting and obeying God. In John 1:6-7 it says, "If we claim to have fellowship with Him, yet we walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, then we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son, purifies us from all sin."

According to this text, "If we walk in the darkness, then we do not live by the truth." If our heart is not repentant when we sin, if our attitude is one of disobedience to the Laws and Commandments of God, if we turn away from God, if we live a life of sin, if we decide the effort to lead a Godly life is not worth it, if the actions of our lives indicate that we no longer desire to be one of God's children, then we don't lose our salvation, and salvation isn't taken from us, but we through our own free will, take our salvation and give it back to God. We tell God we don't want it. We give it up!!!
Ezekiel 3:20 "If the righteous turn from their righteousness and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before them, they shall die".

If you could not give up your salvation voluntarily, then once you become saved you could then go ahead and do whatever you wish. You could steal, murder, cheat, lie, never pray, reject the scriptures, lead others astray, blaspheme God from morning to night - do anything that is sinful, rebellious, and against the laws of God. To believe that "once saved, always saved" is believing that one has a "license to sin" after the person is born again."

So ask yourself this question. What is the only way to gain eternal salvation? There are a great many verses that tell us the answer. Below are just two of them:
Ephesians 2:8-9 "By this undeserved kindness, indeed, you have been saved through faith, and this not owing to you, it is God's gift."

1Peter 1:5 "Those who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed on the last day.

God makes salvation completely available through Jesus Christ - and not only to specific individuals, but to all who will receive and believe in Jesus Christ as savior. Jesus made this very clear when he said, "Whoever believes in me would not perish but have everlasting life." (John 3:16) The word "whoever" includes everybody. No person is excluded from the opportunity to believe and receive everlasting life.

Your relationship with God, as well as your eternal salvation are based upon faith. Faith that Jesus Christ is who, and what He says he is. And thus if you are committing those sins mentioned in the above paragraph, then you simply don't believe who Jesus is. A person practicing the above sinful actions, certainly indicates that the person no longer has any faith or belief in Jesus Christ.

In other words you can not walk in the darkness unrepentant and still hold onto your salvation. Keep in mind that repentance is much more than stopping the very act of committing those sins that you are asking forgiveness for. Repentance is actually the act of turning away from doing those sins, of not committing them anymore, of changing your life in such a way as you no longer want or desire to commit those sins. You are the one who decides whether to walk in the light or the darkness. God gave you the free will to make your own choices. If you decide to walk in the darkness then your salvation will not be taken away from you, nor will you lose your salvation. No, what you will do is give up your salvation. You will be telling God that your salvation "is not worth the effort it takes to walk in the light". That you do not wish to have his gift of eternal salvation. That you want to make it through this life on your own without any help from God. That you will follow the ways of the world rather than the ways of our Lord. So your own free will determines whether you are going to keep your salvation or give it up. God allows your eternal future to be in your own hands.

Since your own free will is what determines your eternal destiny, then it is very important to note that God will not force anyone to come to him. He is not going to get down on his knees and beg you to believe him, trust him, or accept him. Nor will he force you to love him or demand your obedience. The choice is up to each one of us whether to surrender our lives and our hearts to God or to refuse his love and his blessings. If you don't want any part of Jesus Christ then he is willing to accept that decision since it was made by you through your own free will.

Our Lord did tell us that once we are saved, once we are looking to him for everything, once we have surrendered completely to him, then no one could snatch us away from him.
John 10:28 "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand."
So you can't be snatched way, but you sure can walk away.

There are a great many examples of this in the Bible but my favorite is in the book of Mark. It has to do with the story about the time Jesus arrived by boat to a town where he met a demon possessed man who was living in a graveyard. (You can read the entire story in Mark 5:1-21, and it is a great example of people exercising their free will and possibly putting their eternal salvation in jeopardy).

The Bible mentions that this demon possessed man was unusually fierce and dangerous, so much so that the townspeople could not even use the roads in fear that they would be harmed or even killed by this demon possessed man. The demons who resided in this man recognized Jesus and even talked with Jesus, and they knew that Jesus had the power to expel them from the man. So the demons seeing a herd of pigs in the distance, told Jesus that if he was going to expel them from this man, then would Jesus allow the demons to enter into the herd of pigs. So Jesus expelled the demons and the demons left the man and entered into the pigs. Suddenly the pigs realized something was terribly wrong and every single pig rushed over the cliff to their death. The pigs evidently realized that they would rather be dead than to have those demons living within them.

Now the pig herders saw all this happening and they went to the town and told everyone all the details. Verse 17 tells of the townspeople response. "Then the people began to beg Jesus to leave their area." So the response of the townspeople was to tell Jesus to get out of there because they were holding Jesus responsible for the destruction of a whole herd of pigs. They were furious at Jesus because of this economic loss. All that these people could do was to scream at him because they no longer had this herd of pigs. So you can see that the people's only concern was the economic loss of the pigs.

What is really interesting is Jesus's response.
Jesus didn't try to explain to the townspeople that they no longer had to worry about this very dangerous demon possessed man. That he was no longer a threat to their safety. Nor did Jesus ask them if they wanted to know why this formerly demon possessed man was now able to sit there quietly, fully dressed, and in his right state of mind. Nor did he try to tell them that if he could expel demons from this man, then just think of the demons that he could expel from the rest of the townspeople. Neither did Jesus ask the people if they wanted to find out more about this man who could expel demons or why he even did what he did, or why he even came there in the first place. And Jesus certainly didn't argue with the people that the price of the pigs was rather small compared to their peace of mind and their eternal future. Jesus didn't even ask these people if they wanted to learn about the one who sent him. Jesus didn't do any of these things because he could see that the only thing any of these people really cared about was the economic loss of the pigs. They had their minds all made up and money was the number one thing in their lives. They exerted their free will and told Jesus to leave town and leave town now. They had exercised their free will.

Using their own free will, those people wanted nothing to do with Jesus. Their only interest was in worldly things and because of that, they told Jesus to hit the road and go some place else and kill pigs. Jesus knew exactly what was in their hearts, and that their minds were closed to anything that Jesus had to say. So what did Jesus do? Jesus simply turned around, boarded the boat and proceeded across the water and went into his own city. Without a word, he simply turned and left, and very possibly took with him their eternal salvation.

John 15:1-2 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He removes every branch in me that bears no fruit. Every branch that bears fruit he prunes to make it bear more fruit".

John 15:6 "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch, and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned".

1 Corinthians 10:12 "Therefore let him who thinks he is standing, beware, that he does not fall".

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A great song David....Hey Roy...how about..... ?
Until the end of the world, Lo, I am with you always!
Well, the song David put up was "You Never Let Go." The actual title I mentioned was "He'll Never Let You Go." Same meaning but it does leave a door open. But, probably someone has already taken that one as well. If that on is taken how about, "He'll never let go." Anyway, all in all, I think the meanings are all the same. I just know I have about as much talent in the poetry and songwriting area as a dead tree trunk.

I do love to sing along with the worship leaders at church but I don't get asked to sing by myself anymore. Believe it or not I was in the college quartet at the school I attended. I loved to sing.
Roy will a poem/song work? I am more of a songwriter/poet
Actually, that was my meaning.

Roy
Here, someone put this one. I don't know you guys do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN5rKB-izXI

Someday this is going to really happen.
And here's one dedicated to all of my great friends out there in Aagland. It's a wonderful place. Are you ready to fly?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv7uc_REkSI&feature=related

And, of course, like always I am going to need some help from my good friend David to put these on.
Thanks forgiven. I've got to figure out how to do that.

Roy
Hey Roy,

When you go to 'youtube' look beneath the video (the lower right corner). Click on the square that says 'embed'. Once you click on that square that says 'embed', you'll see a code revealed below highlighted in blue. Right click to 'copy'.. and then bring the code here to 'paste'.. Left click your mouse to paste it in the comment section here. Click 'add reply' and voila.. your video will show here.. ;-)
Let me know if this helps..
~Carla
Thanks,

I have been wondering how these guys get their videos on.

Roy
This morning in my 5th/6th grade Bible class, we were talking about heaven. One of the young men asked me if he was going to be able to fly in heaven. I am going to play this for him tomorrow. I so wish we could be like those little guys. They love God already with all their hearts.
Michelle,

I really don't want to debate the issue. There is no way you are going to change your mind. However, I am just wondering if you could call the experience of losing something other than salvation. As an example: let's suppose I am standing on a street trying to blow the grass clippings off of the street from the mowing I had just finished. I am using a grass blower which is very loud. I thought I turned to make sure no car was coming but I forgot to keep turning and sure enough a car was coming straight at me. My son saw the accident that was about to happen and ran out to warn me just in time for me to escape the speeding car. Thus, I was saved from either death or a serious injury. How do I lose that? Once you are saved, you are saved. You can never lose that.

It may be that you are warning people that they have not quite been saved yet and that they are still in danger of hell. Now, about the name being blotted out - we know that anyone that has been eternally elected by God would never have their names blotted out of the book. However, one of the best responses I have ever read on that was from our good brother David. Maybe he will post it again but it is somewhere on this forum.

In the meantime, once someone is saved, it is over, done. That is an experience that is impossible to lose just based on the merits of the word itself. Notice this verse:

Heb 5:7-10

7 During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. 8 Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him 10 and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek. NIV

Our responsibility is to truly believe in Him. If we believe, we have been saved by His grace. If you are saved by His grace, you are going to do the things that He has preordained for us to do. If we don't do those things, then I don't think the salvation process ever took place. We read Eph. 2:8-9 over and over but we sometimes miss v. 10 which goes on to say: For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. NIV

God has had a plan from before the beginning of time. His plan is going to happen. Those who He will save will carry out that work which He planned for them to do. Now, let's say a person has a name that he is carrying around called Christian. If he is not carrying out God's plan, then he better be sure that he is not Christian in name only. This doesn't mean that he will be perfect and above sin. It does mean that God's will will be the highest priority in his life in spite of all his weaknesses. If God's will does not have priority in a person's life, I would guess that he is Christian in name only. He has a name that he is alive, yet he is really dead. He is not saved. He is still very much in danger of hell.

I'm not sure that we are not just arguing over terminology. Eternal salvation cannot be temporary salvation. The two terms just can't both be correct. However, if it came down to it, I have a feeling we would both agree to a great extent who is saved and who is not saved even though neither of us can know for sure since that is totally God's call (praise the Lord) and not ours.

To those who are saved. I would recommend rejoicing and not living in fear of losing that experience. That, my friend, is an absolute impossibility.

Roy

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