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God hates sin and were to confess sin but what if a person dies a quick death and they have no time to repent of a intentional sin they kelp comitting will they still go to heaven just something i wanted to no
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Permalink Reply by Ananda Welikala on
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Eternal life is NOT for this life...it is for the one to come at death or at the moment of the Rapture whichever comes first. When the Holy Spirit started to indwell me, I was a human being with flesh on my bones and I am still a human being with flesh on my bones. Rom. 7:20 has taught me that SIN dwells in me. Yes, I am a brand news human being in the Lord Jesus Christ...but my HUMANNESS is still with me. The only time my humanness leaves me is at my death or the Rapture. Rom. 7:23 is of help here!
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Permalink Reply by Leonard T on
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Eternal life begins the moment we are born again and receive Jesus, for the eternal life we possess is not our own, but that of our Savior's.
I hope one day you will be able to move beyond Romans 7 and awake to the glorious truth of Romans 8. For Romans 7 cannot be interpreted without also understanding the deep truths of Romans 8.
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The only way I will be able to move away from SAINT Paul's personal experience with sin is for me to take a razor-blade and cut off the parts in Rom. ch 7 that offend those who believe that SIN is no more a problem for them.
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You keep missing the central point. Children of God fail and commit acts that are sinful acts (outward action), but that does not change the fact that they are children of God (state of being). Thus we are not talking about what you do, but who you are in Christ.
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I am not missing even one point that SAINT Paul gave us by the Holy Spirit. If I didn't "get it" then SAINT Paul didn't get it either. I am simply ECHOING the Holy Spirit's words given thru' Paul. Btw, didn't the Holy Spirit know that He was going to make Paul write Rom. 8:1 while He was prompting Paul to write Rom. 7:21?
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Permalink Reply by Tammy on
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You do realize we're all saints right? Just curious since you continue to Yell that Paul was one.
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There is nothing more to say for me at this time after this reply since I detest circular debate.. You are missing the point and continuing to use circular argument. All does not rise and fall on Romans 7. You cannot understand Romans 6 or 7 without reading Romans 8 as all one piece. And these three chapters must be read in context of the book (letter) as a whole. You openly admit sinners cannot enter heaven and you call yourself still a sinner (not the action, but state of being) and Paul a sinner. This means you will not go to heaven according to the Bible (and your self proclamation that you are still a sinner and not a child of God (cannot be both) because you already profess faith in Christ and there is no further sacrifice available beyond that which you already claim to profess, and Paul could not have entered heaven based on your view, nor John, even in the spirit if they were still sinners and had not become children of God justified, cleansed and regenerated by Christ.
Thus, it is time for me and you to move on from this topic, unless you have more info to add beyond repeating endlessly Romans 7 while ignoring Romans 8.
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Permalink Reply by Amanda on
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I'm certain Paul experienced victory over sin in his earthly life, even if it was never complete and perfect victory due to being in the fallen flesh, and the same must be true for Christians still today. Can't the power of sin in their lives be broken at least to some extent?
None will be made perfect or holy by their own actions, but those who are born again have been made perfect through the blood of Jesus. This is a positional holiness. It's also known as imputed righteousness. That means we get the undeserved credit of Christ’s righteousness as a gift to us and once we are covered with the righteousness of Jesus, we are set apart from the world and are vessels devoted to holiness, not to sin. Another way of saying it is that we are set apart from the world unto God.
We receive His righteousness, and we are to walk in His righteousness. Another way of saying this is that the positional holiness (imputed righteousness) that has been given to us and that is within us will begin to manifest itself outwardly in our lives. There are people who have an outward righteousness, a form of righteousness, but who don't have this positional righteous, or the righteousness of Christ, within them. Bluntly speaking, they aren't born again. Similarly, there are those who have positional holiness but are struggling to walk in it. Another way of saying it is they are struggling to walk in the spirit in their daily lives, mortifying the deeds of the flesh. As Paul says in Romans 8:13, "by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body" which means being led by the Spirit.
We are to live out the new life that we've been given as new creations. LT, I think the term you use for this kind of holiness is experiential holiness, but another name for it, too, is practical holiness. It means walking in His ways and submitting to His will as we live our lives each day, surrendering to Him in our words, thoughts, and actions, every moment of every day.
God sets us apart but then asks us to choose to live a life that is set apart. (This is something that was said in Bible study at church Sunday evening and I really liked how it was said but I'm not sure that they teach the doctrine of imputed righteousness there due to other things that were said.)
Nevertheless, we aren't to look like the world or be devoted to sin (as are sinners) but are to imitate Christ and look like Him and be devoted to God (as are saints).
I will add, in my POV, if we sin, His righteousness still covers us, and God disciplines us for our sin as a Father who is correcting a son or a daughter. The discipline may be very serious, depending upon the seriousness of the sin, and it will hurt, but it is not given to angrily exact a penalty for an offense but is given to lovingly train for correction and spiritual maturity. It's given out of love and concern on God's part and is evidence that we are God's child. God's attitude to those who belong to God is never one of frustration and hostility.
I fail in many ways. Why do so many remain in bondage to sin? Victory is for all, isn't it? -
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Let me add please: If eternal life starts the moment I was born again, then why am I still on earth? I should be enjoying life with God in heaven.
Why was SAINT Paul on earth after his "Road to Damascus" experience, if he was made 100% holy.
Here's another point: At the moment of getting the NEW BIRTH, if I was made 100% sinless then my stay in the world (after Salvation) will make me CONTAMINATED with sin. (A clean hand rubbing against a dirty hand will always make the clean hand dirty, for sure! A dirty hand rubbed against a clean hand will never become clean, for sure! ). My life in this sinful world will make me a sinner if I had been made 100% holy at any time in my life!
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If eternal life starts the moment I was born again, then why am I still on earth? I should be enjoying life with God in heaven.
You should be enjoying a life unified with Christ in the Spirit as the Holy Spirit lives in you. The flesh will one day be done away with, but the Spirit is already new.
Why was SAINT Paul on earth after his "Road to Damascus" experience, if he was made 100% holy.
Paul made this pretty clear ... he would rather be in heaven, but it was better for those on earth that he stay and be used of Christ to bring forth the gospel message. If all Christians immediately translated who would share the gospel to the lost?
Here's another point: At the moment of getting the NEW BIRTH, if I was made 100% sinless then my stay in the world (after Salvation) will make me CONTAMINATED with sin.
You evidently do not understand the difference between the spirit, soul and flesh or you would not be making this assertion.
My life in this sinful world will make me a sinner if I had been made 100% holy at any time in my life!
Living in this fallen world with fallen people while in the fallen flesh will encourage us to sinful actions, but that does not change who we are as children of God. You are attempting to be defined by your actions instead of the work of Christ.
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A person who hunts is called a hunter. A person who farms is called a farmer. A person who lies is called a liar. A person who sins is called a ???
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Each of the above are first human beings ... that is what they are. We are not defined by our sin, but by our relationship to Jesus ... Again, read Romans 8. We are either born again or not born again, saved or lost, forgiven or not forgiven. The Word calls the born again children of God, saints, redeemed. These truths are what we are (state of being). We are not recognized as being sinners (state of being). This has nothing to do with an action, but rather who we are. Are we dead in our sins or born again and alive to Christ. Go through the Word of God and you will find that the Word calls the children of God saints
You are (State of being) either a saint or a sinner, you cannot be both. You confuse the action with the state of being. From the state of being will begin to flow actions according to the nature (state of being) of that person.
I will repeat again, a child of God can in action sin, but that does not make them a sinner (state of being). It reveals that as children of God we still fail at times, but that sin comes with conviction from the Holy Spirit and should be followed by repentance on our part, but in the process it did not change who we are, nor does it revert us from being a saint to being a sinner.
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