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How can a good God send people to Hell
people, to hell.
Any ideas of what I can say?
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Permalink Reply by work in progress on
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Hello dear Nicole ~ The Bible is very clear when it says that OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS is as FILTHY RAGS. So even so called decent people when compared to a Holy and perfect God will not make the grade. EXCEPT they recieve Gods righteousness through Jesus.
God knew that and that is why He came to die for our redemption. ( to save all who would ask HIM for salvation. So that we would be accepted by His love and blood which can not be seperated.
Isaiah 64:6
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
SALVATION IS FROM THE LORD and can never be earned. Only Given by God and recieved as a free gift by each one that would choose to accept His righteous and blessed gift :)
The wonderful news is that He would never turn anyone away no matter what.
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Permalink Reply by Carla on
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Dear Nicole,
We are saved by faith thru trusting Jesus Christ as our Savior! No one is good, or decent as you say.
Rom 3:10 As the Scriptures say, "No one is good-- not even one.
We are saved by faith.. and we must stand in The Righteousness of Christ...we do not have our own!
Rom 4:1 Abraham was, humanly speaking, the founder of our Jewish nation. What were his experiences concerning this question of being saved by faith?
Rom 4:2 Was it because of his good deeds that God accepted him? If so, he would have had something to boast about. But from God's point of view Abraham had no basis at all for pride.
Rom 4:3 For the Scriptures tell us, "Abraham believed God, so God declared him to be righteous." [fn]
Rom 4:4 When people work, their wages are not a gift. Workers earn what they receive.
Rom 4:5 But people are declared righteous because of their faith, not because of their work.
Rom 4:6 King David spoke of this, describing the happiness of an undeserving sinner who is declared to be righteous:
Rom 4:7 "Oh, what joy for those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sins are put out of sight.
Rom 4:8 Yes, what joy for those whose sin is no longer counted against them by the Lord."
God's standard is perfection! His definition of perfection in perfect Holiness is not the same as ours! as a matter of fact, we don't even know what that might mean. I believe..that one day...those of us who trust in Jesus and in Him alone, will understand fully the work that Christ has done on the cross...for all humanity!
Clinging to the cross... Blessings, Carla
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Thinking about this verse ~
John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
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Permalink Reply by Theresa on
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Jan,
It is very simple, it costed God His own precious Son's Blood and it is not cheap at all and you better believe it, God has no trouble sending people to hell if they do not call on, believe in and receive what Jesus has done on their behalf. It is that simple.
1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
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Permalink Reply by Prophet on
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God does not send people to Hell they choose to go all by them selves because God gave us free will.
We all need a new life. We need to be cleansed from sin and it's penalty (which is death) and restored to fellowship with God who made us all. That is what Jesus Christ (God's Son) meant when He said we "must be born again" (John 3:7). "...Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God" (John 3:3). Without the experience of the "new birth" we have no hope of enjoying the glories of heaven nor escaping the terrors of hell. Have you been born again?
The "new birth" is not a religion, not living up to a creed, not a set of rituals, nor joining a church or denomination. It's a transformation. Our old nature is changed and we receive a new one. Old things pass away and all things become new in Christ. We receive a new heart, new desires, new ideas, and a new direction because of this new nature. A birth is the coming into being of a new life which has the nature of its parents. When you were born the first time, you were made a partaker of the nature of natural man. When you are born again, you become a partaker of the divine nature (II Peter 1:4). God can become your heavenly Father.
The greatest attribute of God is that He is a God of love. He loves you and me. He loves all sinners and wants to save every one of us from hell and the terrible results of our sin. His Word tells us, "But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8). "For He hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him" (II Corinthians 5:21). God hates sin because of what it produces-- war, sickness, poverty, etc., but God loves the sinner, not the sin
I hope this will help you, I am Praying for your friend
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Permalink Reply by Leonard T on
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Does God send them there or do they get up and walk there on their own?
Let us not forget that God punishes sin.
The Word of God tells us that the lost will be raised to life to be condemned.
JN 5:28 "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out--those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.
Jesus illustrates that in the end the lost will be ordered to depart from His presence.
MT 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, `Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
MT 25:44 "They also will answer, `Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
MT 25:45 "He will reply, `I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
MT 25:46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Those who are not born-again will come before God at the “Great White Throne” and will be judged and sentenced because of their sin.
REV 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
God’s judgment and sentence lead to the following:
REV 20:15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Many believe that God does not send the wicked (unrepentant sinner) to hell and assume they go there on their own. A person seals their fate by not repenting and being saved (born-again), but they surely do not come before God and then say to Him, “Never mind. I have chosen to go to hell and will now go there on my own.” How does one get from the Throne of God to residing in hell? Do they simply walk there? God created hell for Satan and the fallen angels. The Lake of Fire is the final abode of the lost, hell and death. God created it, He pronounces judgment and carries out the sentence.
God is a loving God, but He is also just and righteous. A just and righteous God could not let sin go unpunished. In fact it is because of His love that He sent His Son to die in the place of all who will repent and accept the gift of salvation. The rest remain under judgment and face judgment.
Lord Bless,
LT
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Permalink Reply by Ronald on
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John 5:28,29, World English
John 5:28 Don't marvel at this, for the hour comes, in which all that are in the tombs will hear his voice,
John 5:29 and will come forth; those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.
The just are raised in the resurrection of life, the unjust are raised in the resurrection of judgment.
Jesus died so that all may be released from the condemnation of the death that results in the condition of the Bible hell (sheol, corresponding in the NT to hades). -- Ecclesiastes 9:10; Romans 5:12-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22.
Matthew 25:41-46 says nothing about hades/sheol, but this tells of the result of the judgment day, the "last day", when the unbelievers of this age will be judged. (John 12:47,48) As shown in the parable of the sheep and goats, when the Yahweh through Jesus comes to judge the nations, the world that in this age does not recognize him., Satan will have been abyssed, so that he will not be permitted to deceive the nations. (Psalm 96; Psalm 98; Isaiah 2:2-4; Matthew 25:31,32; John 1:10; 12:47,48; Revelation 20:1-4) Then the books will be opened to them (Revelation 20:12); the words of Jesus, so that they will be judged by what is written in those books opened to them, according to their works in that age to come. (John 12:47,48) Those heathen (the unbelieving nations of this age) who are obedient in that coming age will be permitted in the city of God, but those heathen who do not at heart repent will be left outside the city, and will be eventually be destroyed in the lake of fire, just as sheol/hades had been destroyed in the lake of fire. -- Revelation 20:13-15; 21:24-27.
God's justice calls for death as the wages of sin, not an eternity of conscious suffering. (Genesis 2:17; Romans 6:23) The wages of sin is upon us all through the one transgression of Adam; Jesus paid the wages of sin for Adam and all who are dying by means of Adam's transgression. (Romans 5:12-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22) Jesus is not now suffering for an eternity to pay the wages of sin. Rather, we read: "Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures." (1 Corinthians 15:3) "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8) "Died" - past tense; Jesus is not suffering consciously for all eternity to pay the wages of sin. Peter wrote: "Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous." -- 1 Peter 3:18, World English.
When God told Adam of sin’s wages, He did not say, “In the day that you eat from it you will be kept alive forever in eternal suffering,” but He told him the truth: “dying thou dost die [Hebrew transliterated: "muth temuth" (more literally, to die, you will die) i.e., cease to live- or "dying, thou shalt die" - margin of KJV].” — Genesis 2:17, Young’s Literal Translation.
Adam began to die in that very (dying, thou shalt die — see KJV margin) day he ate the forbidden fruit. He has died is no longer conscious anywhere, until he is raised in the last day. However, no one at would be raised in the last day if it had not been for the ransom sacrifice of Jesus. Adam, and all who are dying by means of Adam's transgression, would be dead for eternity. Thus, Jesus, was not raised back to human life, but, as Peter wrote, he "was to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." - 1 Peter 3:18.
Yes, those in this age who do not accept Jesus so as to be counted as justified remain under the wrath of God; they are judged already through Adam, and the judgment through Adam remains upon them; if they die without Christ, they die in their sins, since their sins have not been removed through faith in the blood of Jesus. This does not mean that they are not "saved" so as to be judged anew in the 'last day'.
If they do not become written in the "book of life" (Revelation 20:12,15) that is opened to them in that age, yes, they will be eternally destroyed in the lake of fire, the "eternal punishment" that Jesus spoke of as recorded in Matthew 25:46; however, as whole, the Revelation says that the nations - the heathen - without Satan's deceptions, and with the waters of life and trees of life offered in that age to come, will obey, will be healed. -- Revelation 21:24,25; 22:1,2.
No where in the Bible do we find any thought that God's justice demands an eternity of conscious suffering as the wages of sin.
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Permalink Reply by David Velasquez on
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>>He has died is no longer conscious anywhere
Adam began to die in that very (dying, thou shalt die — see KJV margin) day he ate the forbidden fruit. He has died is no longer conscious anywhere, until he is raised in the last day. However, no one at would be raised in the last day if it had not been for the ransom sacrifice of Jesus. Adam, and all who are dying by means of Adam's transgression, would be dead for eternity. Thus, Jesus, was not raised back to human life, but, as Peter wrote, he "was to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." - 1 Peter 3:18.
Yes, those in this age who do not accept Jesus so as to be counted as justified remain under the wrath of God; they are judged already through Adam, and the judgment through Adam remains upon them; if they die without Christ, they die in their sins, since their sins have not been removed through faith in the blood of Jesus. This does not mean that they are not "saved" so as to be judged anew in the 'last day'.
If they do not become written in the "book of life" (Revelation 20:12,15) that is opened to them in that age, yes, they will be eternally destroyed in the lake of fire, the "eternal punishment" that Jesus spoke of as recorded in Matthew 25:46; however, as whole, the Revelation says that the nations - the heathen - without Satan's deceptions, and with the waters of life and trees of life offered in that age to come, will obey, will be healed. -- Revelation 21:24,25; 22:1,2.
No where in the Bible do we find any thought that God's justice demands an eternity of conscious suffering as the wages of sin. EOQ
The teaching you are presenting here is not biblical and very wrong. We move from physical conscious existence to Spiritual conscious existence. We never cease to be conscious. The teaching you are bringing up is a spin from Universalism and is not welcome in this community.
David V.
Volunteer NET Moderator.
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The Bible does not teach universalism, that is, the idea that all will live forever. The Bible definitely teaches that wicked will be destroyed.
Whether tried in this age (2 Corinthians 5:10; 1 Peter 1:7; 4:12), or in the age to come when Yawheh comes to judge the earth by means of Jesus and the saints (Psalm 96:13; 98:9; Isaiah 2:2-4; 26:9,10; Daniel 7:22; Matthew 25:31,32; John 5:22; Acts 17:31; 1 Corinthians 6:2; Revelation 20:4,13), after an individual trial, those who prove themselves to be disobedient will pay the penalty: eternal destruction (2 Thessalonians 1:9); they 'bring upon themselves swift destruction' (2 Peter 2:1, 12); their "end is destruction" (Philippians 3:19); they "shall go away into eternal punishment [not eternal suffering or eternal torturing, but death, for 'sin, when it is finished, brings forth death' (James 1:15; 4:12); everlasting death is the everlasting punishment], but the righteous [who only will have everlasting life after the final judgment -- Psalm 37:9-11] into eternal life. — Matthew 25:46.
Nevertheless, if the owners of this site will not tolerate an examination of what God has revealed (and what He has not revealed) by means of His Holy Spirit in the Bible, I will stop posting here, and address the matter on my websites.
In service of Jesus,
Ronald
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Permalink Reply by Michael Vernon McEntire on
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Ronald, it's enlightening to see which ancient words were translated "destruction" in the passages you cited above, and then to see how those words were used in antiquity in the Scriptures and elsewhere. You'll find that they rarely meant the complete cessation of existence.
Also, there is no indication in the Bible that the death which is called the wages of sin or the punishment for sin refers to a cessation of existence. Rather, it clearly refers to a separation from God and the blessings of God which is what all of the Apostolic Fathers affirmed.
In decades of participating in discussions like this, I have invariably found that those who espouse annihilationism begin with the assumption that humans are not dual physical/spiritual beings, that the "spirit" simply refers to "breath". Frankly, I find that belief incomprehensible in light of such inspired utterances as, "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit!", and "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!".
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Dear Ronald,
Let us examine it then, no problem. I am so glad you do not subscribe to Universalism. The teaching you are presenting above is believed by them as well . Brother LT and Michael raise good points.
Blessings
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