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Do we Possess three entities namely a "Body" "Soul" and "Spirit"?
I need to hear from members on AAG, what they understand by the terms "Body" "Soul" and "Spirit" Let's look forward to a lively discussion as to your impression and beliefs on the subject.
"Do men and women possess three entities, namely a "Body" that possesses a "Soul" and a "Spirit"?
The Lord Bless all on AAG
Ron.
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Permalink Reply by Leonard T on
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Tim,
LK 23:43 Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."
2CO 5:6 Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 7 We live by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
HEB 6:16 Men swear by someone greater than themselves, and the oath confirms what is said and puts an end to all argument. 17 Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath. 18 God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged. 19 We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, 20 where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.
REV 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?" 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.
REV 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God.
LT
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Tim,
By no means will I be upset with you over your response not addressing everything. You have established how you respond and I can deal with that on my end.
You said:
The translating committee working on Luke's Gospel had to make a decision about where to put the comma in the verse you cited above. They made an error. The verse should read, "I tell you the truth today, you will be with me in paradise." We know this is true because the only way to receive everlasting life is through the resurrection of Jesus and that wouldn't occur for three days after Jesus made this remark to the evil-doer. Also, the paradise the Jewish criminal would have understood would have been an earthly paradise which hasn't been produced even 2000 years later.
The KJV, NIV and NASB all disagree with your interpretation of how the verse reads.
Regarding the everlasting life comment I would ask a two part question. What is paradise and where did Jesus go for the three days His body laid in the tomb?
Regarding the last sentence you are making a great assumption s to what this man did or didnot believe. I find this unusual coming from you as you do try to stay strict tot he text. Part the answer to this is found in the answer to the first part of my two part question above.
For the evildoer to enjoy the fulfillment of this promise, he would have to fall asleep in death and then be resurrected, body and soul, to a beautiful new paradise earth.
Do you believe in soul sleep? You are sounding more SDA all the time. When does the resurrection f the saints take place and what is the state of the earth at that time?
LT
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Tim,
Regarding 2 Corinthians 5:6 the point here is to establish that while one is away from the body they are in the presence of the Lord and Paul sees this as preferable, but recognizes he must continue his mission for them. I have a hard time believing that Paul would prefer soul sleep to serving the Lord in the flesh even if the road is difficult.
Not to split hairs, but a point that I think needs to be made is that prior to the cross no one had been resurrected (new body), but resuscitated (Old body brought back to life) only to die again. The only debatable area is Matthew 27:50 and there is not enough information to know who they were and if they died again or were changed after Jesus’ resurrection. What makes you think that Paul will be a spiritual being and not clothed in the flesh? 1 Corinthians 15:52 states “in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.”
Psalm 37:9-11 speaks of a beautiful truth, but it does not lay out the time line. There is no question as to whether the meek will inherit the earth. It is simply when and in what order.
In your next to last post, you said the following:
For the evildoer to enjoy the fulfillment of this promise, he would have to fall asleep in death and then be resurrected, body and soul, to a beautiful new paradise earth.
Two Questions:
1) Based on what you have stated earlier people would not be conscious until on the new earth. Does Rev. 6:9-11 align with that view as people are still dying on the earth?
2) Will saints still be dying on earth while others have received a resurrected body? If so, at what time would these have been resurrected?
3) Revelation 7:9-13 gives a picture of the saints who have come out of the great tribulation and then in the first verse of chapter eight we see the seventh seal opened up. Are these resurrected individuals and if so are they not still in heaven awaiting the new earth?
Now lets look at the concept of clothing. Is it literal cloth or illustrative of something greater? Can one be clothed in salvation as with a cloth or righteousness as a robe, or are we speaking of a covering of God? Isaiah 61:10 speaks of garments of salvation and a robe of righteousness. Now if we look at Revelation 19:8 we see the bride being adorned in fine linen and that linen is defined as the righteousness of the saints. We see in Revelation 7:14 that the robes were made white by being washed in the blood of the lamb. This does not sound like physical clothing, but a spiritual covering that is suitable for people who are alive in the presence of God without bodies until the resurrection.
Lord Bless,
LT
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Tim,
I too am sorry about your friend. I almost lost my son last night in a serious auto accident. He is beat up, but praise God He is recovering.
May I ask. Is the real issue with you about consciousness after death and prior to the resurrection?
LT
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Tim,
You have it backwards again. Once the Scriptures revealed that the person is in a conscious state after death the nature of the soul as you present it is erased. The person cannot be conscious and asleep at the same time. You have to prove that the soul sleeps and in doing so you must deal with N.T. revelation on the subject in the process that reveals one is very conscious when away from the body..
LT
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Permalink Reply by Stacey Osana Arquines on
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May there be great healing for your son in Jesus Most precious name I pray amen.
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Tim, Stacey and Linda,
Thanks for the prayers and concern. He is very sore, but should recover well.
Lord Bless,
LT
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your friend lives amen. Your friend is in good hands and very much alive praise God.
I hope that you can believe the words that i have typed for God does use me and I only speak the truth so may you be filled with the richest blessings of today amen brother Tim.
If you ever are searching for anything or have a special prayer, hit me up in my inbox :) <3 for i am glad to be of any service to any person that knows Jesus Christ and has faith in God.
Lots of love to you in Christ
sis Stacey A.
ps I know such things that I say appear easy to believe or may come off as too simple but it is the truth and God controls me all in his honor i serve HIM.
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Permalink Reply by David Velasquez on
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Tim,
Ecclesiastes 9:5 (New International Version)
5 For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even the memory of them is forgotten
For the dead know nothing of what?
Of the affairs here on earth not that they are unconscious.
Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
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I enjoyed reading your comment Tim,
I am persuaded by scripture to believe that the soul indeed lives on. Since we will be fully aware of who we are. Adam was given a soul before he felled, so I do not see why that would change when we are dressed with our glorified bodies.
Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 (Contemporary English Version)
7 So our bodies return to the earth, and the life-giving breath returns to God.
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Permalink Reply by Sam on
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I'm late in coming to this discussion, so please forgive me if I touch on subjects that have already been discussed.
It's already been stated that soul means 'breathe' or 'a breather' in the original languages, and that spirit means 'breath', 'blow' or 'wind' as its most basic definition.
Genesis 2:7 has already been discussed, in which Adam 'became' or 'came to be' a living soul.
It seems logical to me that if I wanted to have the correct understanding of any fundamental teaching of the Bible, the best place to start would be in the beginning, and then go forward from there.
So, based on that scripture, Adam was a living soul. That would mean that now he is a dead soul, right?
Further, I wouldn't expect to read anything else in the Scriptures that would contradict that basic teaching, though I wouldn't be surprised if I discovered additional meanings and nuances as I read the rest of Genesis and the other 65 books of the Bible.
Off the subject, I have a question for Ron. What made you post this question under 'cults and other religions'?
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Permalink Reply by Rita Cullimore on
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The word "soul" is mentioned 263 times throughout the Bible, with 220 of those times in the Old Testament.
Genesis 35:18 says "18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benonid: but his father called him Benjamin.
The Holy Bible : King James Version. electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version. Bellingham WA : Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1995, S. Ge 35:18
I think that answers the question about what is buried. The soul and the spirit both depart. The spirit returns to God Who gave it. The soul can wind up in hell. Or under the altar in Heaven.
To me, this is a fascinating study, and one that many of us aren't positive about. One of God's awesome mysteries.
The word "spirit" is in the Bible 549 times with 342 being in the New Testament. In the Old Testament it speaks of "spirit" as being mostly evil spirits or the Holy Spirit (God's Spirit).
Over all, a VERY interseting topic!
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